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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 23:19:01 GMT
(all that probably belongs in the general comics discussion thread but fuck it there's nothing happening worth discussing in Walking Dead anyway, so )
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 23:28:58 GMT
Interesting! Here in Germany, the comic market isn't really big and we mostly get the Trade Paperbacks as imports, so it's interesting to hear about that stuff. Didn't even know there was a Civil War 2. Probably to cash in on the success of the movie, those things mostly end up sucking. Yeah, DC recently did this "Rebirth" event. A lot of people assumed it would be a big universe reboot like Flashpoint back in 2011, so that, alongside the Civil War movie, led Marvel to make some really poor decisions. First off, they wanted to cash-in on Civil War. So, Civil War II... But it was a kind of True Detective Season 2 situation. From a commercial stand-point, they knew it needed to happen, but from a Creative stand-point, they didn't really have any ideas. What ended up happening was that a new Inhuman(Marvel comics is trying to replace the X-Men with the Inhumans because they own the movie rights to the Inhumans, but not the X-Men) with the ability to see the future shows up. Captain Marvel a.k.a Carol Danvers decides to take preemptive actions on crime, while Tony Stark as Iron Man(or, he may be the ______ Iron Man or something now. I think the plain Iron Man title is currently held by Riri Williams, but, doesn't matter, Tony Stark) says that that's wrong. So... that's the contrived reason that they fight. It's... basically the plot of that one Tom Cruise movie, Minority Report. Carol actually even calls it out... which, doesn't stop it from being a rip-off of that movie, they just... recognize that it is. The other thing is that, because they wanted it to be a huge universe wide event, they forced it to tie into other comics needlessly. So, they killed off the Hulk and a bunch of other heroes for shock value... Deadpool got tie-ins to Civil War II that have nothing to do with anything just because his movie was a hit... It was basically a huge mess that went on a lot longer than it was even supposed to. Meanwhile, since they expected DC to have some big shocking event, they needed their own shocking thing to sell comics. So they made Steve Rogers Captain America a Nazi. And said that he's not mind-controlled or a clone, but that he was a sleeper agent for Hydra, and has been since his initial creation during WWII. This pissed people off more than anything, and did not sell comics. And for some reason, Marvel is sticking with it. Currently, not only is Cap a nazi, but he's the leader of Hydra, and he was the one who manipulated the whole Civil War II event to get Carol and Tony to fight and to have a bunch of heroes killed. So.... that's Marvel. Critically and commercially, Civil War II was a flop and they've gotten a lot of negative press from the whole "Cap is a nazi" thing. Meanwhile, DC Rebirth was kind of a nothing of an event that was just an excuse for DC editorial to restructure, launch some new comics, shuffle around creative teams, and plant seeds for a bigger storyline that's actually been kind of a slow-burn that's kept people guessing and making theories for months. Overall, it's been a huge critical and commercial success. They've gotten a little flak for using Watchmen characters as part of their big narrative since back in the 80's DC kind off screwed Alan Moore out of his rights to the characters he created, but overall, fans have liked the storyline as it's been an interesting slow-burn across their entire universe of comics. I mean, hell, I'm super pumped for a Rorschach vs. Batman storyline that I'm pretty sure is going to happen due to a mysterious figure showing up in Batman #1. So, that's kind of what's been going on in the comics industry for the past few months. Now that you say it, the "Cap is a Nazi thing" even kind of went through social media over here as well. Interesting what happens when Comic Book run out of ideas. I'm curious to see if we will ever see such absurd stuff in the Marvel Cinematic Universe - dunno, Avengers: Age of Ultron had some wacky stuff in it, and the MCU kind of has a downward trend as of now (at least it seems that way to me), so it'll be interesting to see how things play out. Funny to hear that Marvel has issues in the comic department and DC is quite successful, considering the movie stuff is exactly the other way around. Thanks for the write-up, dude! It was very interesting to read
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Post by jake frost on Jan 1, 2017 8:29:53 GMT
I got a fuckton of TWD volumes for Christmas, so I've been rereading the ones I already have (1-7) and started on the ones I just got (8-15). Here's some bullet points: - Comic Carl is way more likeable, even if the reasoning is 'look, a kid'. Makes me like Riggs in the show even less. Child actors, am I right?
- Comic Andrea is way better than show Andrea. I knew this going in, but... oh my god. So much better.
- Comic Tyreese. Like... what the fuck happened in the show?
- The prison battle. It was so much better, but that might be because it didn't feel pathetic in the character deaths department. Did anyone besides Hershel die in the show version?
- Most of the characters are likeable, but their personalities don't really feel unique. Their dialogue all seems to blend into one another unless they have a cue like Axel's 'you follow me?' or they're a bit mental like Carol.
- For some reason I seemed to recall hearing Axel survived until the Hunters arc or something, and it sucks to see he died so quickly. Sad to see him go.
- This is more of an observation but I can see where the Michonne game fits in. There are times when she's talking to nobody, and a time I noted where she was like "not now" to nothing in particular, which I can only assume were directed at visions of her weirdly-named dead kids. Plus what she did to Randall in the vice is nothing compared to the Gov.
- Aldard really struggles to make characters look unique. Is it Rick? Is it Dale? Otis? Hershel? Who the fuck knows? For many characters the hairstyle is all that can be used to define them.
- Michonne is a bitch. She shows up and ruins Carol's relationship, thereby tempting Carol to go off the deep end and attempt suicide once, then succeed on the second attempt. Tyreese played his role in that too. I don't like her, so... I guess the game did capture her pretty well.
- Lori's just as annoying, but in a more 'nagging wife' way than her 'complete waste of space' characteristics in the show. Glad she went bye-bye.
- A lot of people were just set up to be cannon fodder for the prison arc. Otis, Patricia, Billy and Rachel and Susie Greene. The latter two felt like Kirkman being an edgelord for the sake of being an edgelord. I guess telltale did learn a thing or two about child characters being murdered for shock value.
- The Governor was a fucking cartoon villain. Like... "lololol i tricked u lololol im gonna raep michonne lololol" He just lacked any sense of subtlety. After the show I expected far more from him and it was really disappointing. It's a shame when a character introduced in Season 3 of the show is better than their comic counterpart.
It's had its ups and downs so far, but I'm definitely enjoying it. Haven't read this much of a comic ever, so it's a nice change to the norm really.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 8:56:42 GMT
- Comic Tyreese. Like... what the fuck happened in the show
Okay, the rest all makes sense to me, but you really liked comic Tyreese that much? For me, comic Tyreese was one of the worst characters in the comic, better only than Carol, and the governor. I really liked show Tyreese. Comic Tyreese had ONE good scene, when he slaughtered his daughter's boyfriend. Other than that, he just fucked every crazy woman, and fought with Rick over nothing multiple times, until his death at the governor's hands.
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Post by jake frost on Jan 1, 2017 9:05:05 GMT
- Comic Tyreese. Like... what the fuck happened in the show
Okay, the rest all makes sense to me, but you really liked comic Tyreese that much? For me, comic Tyreese was one of the worst characters in the comic, better only than Carol, and the governor. I really liked show Tyreese. Comic Tyreese had ONE good scene, when he slaughtered his daughter's boyfriend. Other than that, he just fucked every crazy woman, and fought with Rick over nothing multiple times, until his death at the governor's hands. It's more of a relativity thing, questioning how a character like him in the comics became what he did in the show. Then again, the same could be said for Carol.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 9:25:57 GMT
Okay, the rest all makes sense to me, but you really liked comic Tyreese that much? For me, comic Tyreese was one of the worst characters in the comic, better only than Carol, and the governor. I really liked show Tyreese. Comic Tyreese had ONE good scene, when he slaughtered his daughter's boyfriend. Other than that, he just fucked every crazy woman, and fought with Rick over nothing multiple times, until his death at the governor's hands. It's more of a relativity thing, questioning how a character like him in the comics became what he did in the show. Then again, the same could be said for Carol. Hm. I'm confused. Did you like him better in the comic or the show?
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Post by sos on Jan 1, 2017 9:30:20 GMT
I always forget how HORRENDOUS comic Governor was.
Best thing AMC ever decided to do was whitewash the character and cast David Morrissey. ...I feel like I suck Morrissey's dick for his performance like once every other month.
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Post by jake frost on Jan 1, 2017 9:34:00 GMT
It's more of a relativity thing, questioning how a character like him in the comics became what he did in the show. Then again, the same could be said for Carol. Hm. I'm confused. Did you like him better in the comic or the show? I'm not sure. I suppose his TV character was more unique than the comic version, though it was kind of infuriating at times. I liked him in the comics until Michonne showed up. So, I suppose I liked Comic Tyreese at least to start with, while I was always fairly lukewarm on Show Tyreese. I feel like I didn't really pay much attention to either aside from their differences between continuities, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 18:01:53 GMT
Yeah, the Michonne series did capture the character well. It's just that I personally hate comic Michonne so (and the hallucinations are still terrible. I mean, yes, they were there in the comics, but presumably not to that degree)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 18:05:09 GMT
So I don't even know who's still reading the comics(like, is caught up), for those who aren't no spoilers here, but I just want to take a little poll...
So, I think most of us can agree that the "A New Beginning" arc was bad. I mean, I'm sure we all have opinions with varying degrees of bad, but still, bad. Now, I personally like The Whisper War... but it feels shallow. Like, it doesn't feel as if any problems from A New Beginning have been fixed, it's just easier to ignore them because there's action and things are more fast-paced, but even outside of that... this arc just feels shallow and lifeless. Like, yes, it's entertaining, but there's just... nothing behind it. I don't know if I'm getting across what I mean... I don't know, I still feel like the comic could have, and probably should have, ended with All Out War. Or at least Rick's story, for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 21:42:25 GMT
I don't think anybody is reading the comics still. There's no Carl in the new arcs like there was before, there's no Morgan, Rick is going through no moral dilemmas. Beta is a murderfiend and nobody has any heart.
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Post by sos on Jan 1, 2017 21:44:42 GMT
I'm still reading, but only for Negan, really.
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Post by Rock114 on Jan 1, 2017 21:49:19 GMT
I stopped at the end of All Out War. Good decision? Sounds like it, but... I really can't say. Obviously.
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Post by jake frost on Jan 1, 2017 21:56:59 GMT
I'm not at that point and don't know the ins and outs of the story, but the Whisperers seem extremely silly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 22:05:43 GMT
I'm not at that point and don't know the ins and outs of the story, but the Whisperers seem extremely silly. They started interesting. Then someone licked an eyehole, and things got out of hand.
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