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Post by wakemeup on Jan 20, 2014 21:41:18 GMT
I don't have shit and guns aren't even legalized in my country. I'm fucked.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Jan 20, 2014 21:43:55 GMT
Goddamn, sounds like your set!
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Post by That Doom Guy on Jan 20, 2014 21:46:35 GMT
Goddamn, sounds like your set! Yep, I collect swords Oh, and these are real swords. Not those decorative wall-hangers
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Jan 20, 2014 21:49:43 GMT
Even more set, damn, well I live in the country so perhaps less people?
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jan 20, 2014 21:49:51 GMT
But she never has had the opportunity to save them, so we don't know if she would. Also, I forgot to mention, Lee can actually save four lives if you go out in the day. Also, she was going to die in that treehouse if Lee didn't save her. I think she knew that. With Lee, what he did was not only waste a bullet, but also kept a person from the horrors of becoming a walker. Clementine just helped a guy who probably could've won without her help. You're right about the shotgun. I made a stupid call there. I'm still a little sick and tired, and that's pretty much your strongest point, so I'll respond to that one when I don't feel like shit. I don't. Come up with some sturdier evidence. Lee wasn't Clem's only shot to get out of there. If Lee wasn't there, she could have still asked for help from Shawn and Chet when they arrived or the officer when he came around that night. She didn't specifically need Lee to get out of there. But Lee did need Clem to get out of his predicament, as evidenced by the fact that if he doesn't grab the hammer from Clem in time, he can't kill the walker. And "waste a bullet, but also kept a person from the horrors of becoming a walker," that doesn't ring any bells for you as an action that Clem can perform? What do you mean sturdier evidence? She dodges zombies and Winston. Like a football running back. That requires dexterity. Then she grabbed that tree branch to stab Winston with. That took far more resourcefulness and physical strength than grabbing a shotgun and pulling a trigger.
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Post by That Doom Guy on Jan 20, 2014 21:51:02 GMT
Harp's denial is off the charts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 0:06:27 GMT
But she never has had the opportunity to save them, so we don't know if she would. Also, I forgot to mention, Lee can actually save four lives if you go out in the day. Also, she was going to die in that treehouse if Lee didn't save her. I think she knew that. With Lee, what he did was not only waste a bullet, but also kept a person from the horrors of becoming a walker. Clementine just helped a guy who probably could've won without her help. You're right about the shotgun. I made a stupid call there. I'm still a little sick and tired, and that's pretty much your strongest point, so I'll respond to that one when I don't feel like shit. I don't. Come up with some sturdier evidence. Lee wasn't Clem's only shot to get out of there. If Lee wasn't there, she could have still asked for help from Shawn and Chet when they arrived or the officer when he came around that night. She didn't specifically need Lee to get out of there. But Lee did need Clem to get out of his predicament, as evidenced by the fact that if he doesn't grab the hammer from Clem in time, he can't kill the walker. And "waste a bullet, but also kept a person from the horrors of becoming a walker," that doesn't ring any bells for you as an action that Clem can perform? What do you mean sturdier evidence? She dodges zombies and Winston. Like a football running back. That requires dexterity. Then she grabbed that tree branch to stab Winston with. That took far more resourcefulness and physical strength than grabbing a shotgun and pulling a trigger. She may have been considering staying with Hershel, but he kicked them out. Also, she wasn't leaving until her babysitter was dead. I doubt she knew too much about them, aside from the fact that they're dumber than her. She didn't want to leave without someone to look over her. Also, she didn't even think of the risk of going with Lee. She trusted everyone and everything up until the St. John brothers. Yeah, but hell, part of the badassery of the action is the spectacle. Watching her run from Winston and dive through the mud doesn't beat Lee blowing the officer's head blow off. Even so, I think the way Lee immediately reacted to the situation was much better than the way Clementine handled hers.
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Post by That Doom Guy on Jan 21, 2014 0:11:05 GMT
Denial, it's a powerful thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 0:16:45 GMT
Dude, seriously, could you just stop? You're treating my opinion like it's fucking invalid. So shut the fuck up.
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Post by That Doom Guy on Jan 21, 2014 0:19:19 GMT
Dude, seriously, could you just stop? You're treating my opinion like it's fucking invalid. So shut the fuck up. Your opinion is that you keep comparing what Lee did over 5 episodes to what Clem has done in 1. Also the fact that Lee is gonna be able to do a hell of a lot more then Clem. That's obvious. Anything else?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 0:24:13 GMT
My opinion is that even by the standards set for an 11 year old, Clementine isn't badass. If her actions were even a third as good as Lee, then I'd call her badass in a heartbeat, but so far, the "lives she's saved" counter is negative. Even in episode 6.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jan 21, 2014 0:29:26 GMT
She may have been considering staying with Hershel, but he kicked them out. Also, she wasn't leaving until her babysitter was dead. I doubt she knew too much about them, aside from the fact that they're dumber than her. She didn't want to leave without someone to look over her. Also, she didn't even think of the risk of going with Lee. She trusted everyone and everything up until the St. John brothers. Yeah, but hell, part of the badassery of the action is the spectacle. Watching her run from Winston and dive through the mud doesn't beat Lee blowing the officer's head blow off. Even so, I think the way Lee immediately reacted to the situation was much better than the way Clementine handled hers. Why wouldn't Clem leave until her babysitter was dead? She was outside, the babysitter was inside. She might not have gone with Shawn and Chet but she would have definitely gone with the officer, who would have definitely looked out for her. At worst, she would have just ended up with Kenny. (Oh and another demonstration of resourcefulness: she grabbed Lee father's cane to bar the door with) To each his own I guess. I just don't think that stumbling back and fumbling with a shotgun before shooting it shows as much capability as physically evading and fending off zombies and larger human pursuers at the same time with nothing but your wits and a branch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 0:35:20 GMT
She may have been considering staying with Hershel, but he kicked them out. Also, she wasn't leaving until her babysitter was dead. I doubt she knew too much about them, aside from the fact that they're dumber than her. She didn't want to leave without someone to look over her. Also, she didn't even think of the risk of going with Lee. She trusted everyone and everything up until the St. John brothers. Yeah, but hell, part of the badassery of the action is the spectacle. Watching her run from Winston and dive through the mud doesn't beat Lee blowing the officer's head blow off. Even so, I think the way Lee immediately reacted to the situation was much better than the way Clementine handled hers. Why wouldn't Clem leave until her babysitter was dead? She was outside, the babysitter was inside. She might not have gone with Shawn and Chet but she would have definitely gone with the officer, who would have definitely looked out for her. At worst, she would have just ended up with Kenny. (Oh and another demonstration of resourcefulness: she grabbed Lee father's cane to bar the door with) To each his own I guess. I just don't think that stumbling back and fumbling with a shotgun before shooting it shows as much capability as physically evading and fending off zombies and larger human pursuers at the same time with nothing but your wits and a branch. Because she was a little kid, and scared out of her mind that this person she once knew was a monster. She probably didn't think it out that well. The officer makes sense, and I couldn't tell you why she didn't go with him. I guess because of a technical thing. They wouldn't program two whole games, one with no Clem, and one with Clem as the main focus. Also, yeah, that's resourceful, but it isn't too courageous. She was following orders, and the only orders that require bravery are suicide missions, and orders that hurt people you care about, so their lives can be better. We have to remember the distance in time here. For the first zombie he ever sees, that was a badass reaction. Some people would've just sat, screamed, and died.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jan 21, 2014 2:02:21 GMT
Even if she were that terrified of Sandra, which she didn't really seem to be based on how calm she was over the walkie-talkie, she would have simply shouted at the officer from her treehouse to call him over to help her.
And she would only be scared out of her mind if she were like any other kid but the point is that she isn't like any other kid. She was scared, sure, but she knew what she needed to do around the "monsters"; the first thing she said to Lee was that he needed to be quiet since, unlike her, he wasn't in a secure place. Furthermore, she rushed down her treehouse to help a complete stranger after seeing him attacked instead of sticking to the safety of her treehouse. In a moment of what should have been pure terror, she acted and put herself in a more dangerous place for someone she doesn't know. That's badass.
Game technicality aside, my point that she wouldn't have starved to death if it weren't for Lee still stands. When it came to their first meeting, she didn't need him as much as he needed her.
All these moments in which she demonstrates resourcefulness combined to all those moments in which she's demonstrated courage and the few moments in which she's demonstrated both makes me see that she's capable enough to be considered a badass, at least for her age.
I don't think so. I think pretty much everyone we've met with the exception of possibly Ben would have done what Lee did. There was nothing special about what happened there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 2:12:56 GMT
Even if she were that terrified of Sandra, which she didn't really seem to be based on how calm she was over the walkie-talkie, she would have simply shouted at the officer from her treehouse to call him over to help her. And she would only be scared out of her mind if she were like any other kid but the point is that she isn't like any other kid. She was scared, sure, but she was knew what she needed to do around the "monsters"; the first thing she said to Lee was that he needed to be quiet. Furthermore, she rushed down her treehouse to help a complete stranger after seeing him attacked instead of sticking to the safety of her treehouse. In a moment of what should have been pure terror, she acted. That's badass. Game technicality aside, my point that she wouldn't have starved to death if it weren't for Lee still stands. When it came to their first meeting, she didn't need him as much as he needed her. All these moments in which she demonstrates resourcefulness combined to all those moments in which she's demonstrated courage and the few moments in which she's demonstrated both make her capable enough to be considered a badass, at least for her age. I don't think so. I think pretty much everyone we've met with the exception of possibly Ben would have done what Lee did. There was nothing special about what happened there. You mean the officer that was passed out for a few minutes shorter than Lee, and then immediately died? You have a real good point there, why didn't she call him for help, when we saw literally two seconds of the police officer getting attacked?/sarcasm Ok, that's true, but she wasn't going to leave without someone to take care of her. She was smart enough to know he wouldn't make it long on her own. Who knows? Maybe if Lee never showed up, she WOULD have gone with Officer Mitchell. She shows a lot of resourcefulness on its own, but not a lot of bravery. Sometimes there's bravery mixed in, but it's usually resourcefulness. Wanna know why that is? Because none of them DID, and now Lee and his crew have to kill them for survival.
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