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Post by That Doom Guy on Jan 20, 2014 3:50:35 GMT
Lee, a 30 some year old man is more skillful and courageous then a 11 year old girl? You don't say........
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 3:52:31 GMT
Lee, a 30 some year old man is more skillful and courageous then a 11 year old girl? You don't say........ Yup. Due to her lack of skill and courage (though she can be the latter), she isn't badass. Also, he's more like 40.
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Post by That Doom Guy on Jan 20, 2014 3:57:54 GMT
Lee, a 30 some year old man is more skillful and courageous then a 11 year old girl? You don't say........ Yup. Due to her lack of skill and courage (though she can be the latter), she isn't badass. Also, he's more like 40. Her lack of skill and courage? She isn't badass?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 4:02:49 GMT
Tell me one time where she shows skill aside from what me and dome have been discussing. Courage is there from time to time, but we haven't seen her in enough situations to really determine if she's actually courageous, or if it's only when someone she cares about is involved.
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Post by That Doom Guy on Jan 20, 2014 4:11:11 GMT
Tell me one time where she shows skill aside from what me and dome have been discussing. I don't need to. You just said it. Dome has already said it many times.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 4:16:23 GMT
Tell me one time where she shows skill aside from what me and dome have been discussing. I don't need to. You just said it. Dome has already said it many times. Over 6 episodes, she's had about 5 somewhat badass actions, which almost remind me of Lucas from Mother 3, being brave only for the people he cares about, but I don't necessarily consider that as badass as being kind to people that you don't know. Like putting down the girl in the street. In my eyes, that added to Lee's badassery. Because he was sacrificing his own safety to keep a girl from any more unnecessary pain. Clem never has the opportunity to do anything like that. Sure, she can kill the dog, but only SADISTS wouldn't put the dog down.
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Post by That Doom Guy on Jan 20, 2014 4:20:02 GMT
I don't need to. You just said it. Dome has already said it many times. Over 6 episodes, she's had about 5 somewhat badass actions, which almost remind me of Lucas from Mother 3, being brave only for the people he cares about, but I don't necessarily consider that as badass as being kind to people that you don't know. Like putting down the girl in the street. In my eyes, that added to Lee's badassery. Because he was sacrificing his own safety to keep a girl from any more unnecessary pain. Clem never has the opportunity to do anything like that. Sure, she can kill the dog, but only SADISTS wouldn't put the dog down. You can't compare Lee's decisions to her's when she has only had 1 episode so far. Come back to me after all the episodes are out and tell me who had to make the more badass choices.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 4:28:25 GMT
Over 6 episodes, she's had about 5 somewhat badass actions, which almost remind me of Lucas from Mother 3, being brave only for the people he cares about, but I don't necessarily consider that as badass as being kind to people that you don't know. Like putting down the girl in the street. In my eyes, that added to Lee's badassery. Because he was sacrificing his own safety to keep a girl from any more unnecessary pain. Clem never has the opportunity to do anything like that. Sure, she can kill the dog, but only SADISTS wouldn't put the dog down. You can't compare Lee's decisions to her's when she has only had 1 episode so far. Come back to me after all the episodes are out and tell me who had to make the more badass choices. Ok. Fine. Let's compare Lee's first episode actions to Clem's. By the end of Episode 1, Lee has saved (or tried to save if you went after Shawn) 3 people. Clementine has determinately saved none, or one, if you save Pete. Clementine has scrounged around a bit more than Lee, but other than that, Lee functioned at a higher amount of pain more rationally for a longer period of time. Lee had the ability to end someone's pain, and keep them from the horrors ahead, while Clem didn't. Lee blew the head off of a police officer while having a serious leg injury, while Clem hits a walker a few times with a sharp thing while her arm hurts. I'll give Clem this, though. The suturing scene.
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Post by That Doom Guy on Jan 20, 2014 4:48:44 GMT
You can't compare Lee's decisions to her's when she has only had 1 episode so far. Come back to me after all the episodes are out and tell me who had to make the more badass choices. Ok. Fine. Let's compare Lee's first episode actions to Clem's. By the end of Episode 1, Lee has saved (or tried to save if you went after Shawn) 3 people. Clementine has determinately saved none, or one, if you save Pete. Clementine has scrounged around a bit more than Lee, but other than that, Lee functioned at a higher amount of pain more rationally for a longer period of time. Lee had the ability to end someone's pain, and keep them from the horrors ahead, while Clem didn't. Lee blew the head off of a police officer while having a serious leg injury, while Clem hits a walker a few times with a sharp thing while her arm hurts. I'll give Clem this, though. The suturing scene. A man in his late 30s compared to an 11 year old girl........ She did pretty well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 4:50:54 GMT
Ok. Fine. Let's compare Lee's first episode actions to Clem's. By the end of Episode 1, Lee has saved (or tried to save if you went after Shawn) 3 people. Clementine has determinately saved none, or one, if you save Pete. Clementine has scrounged around a bit more than Lee, but other than that, Lee functioned at a higher amount of pain more rationally for a longer period of time. Lee had the ability to end someone's pain, and keep them from the horrors ahead, while Clem didn't. Lee blew the head off of a police officer while having a serious leg injury, while Clem hits a walker a few times with a sharp thing while her arm hurts. I'll give Clem this, though. The suturing scene. A man in his late 30s compared to an 11 year old girl........ She did pretty well. So that's your response to a well crafted argument? Disappointing. We've been over this point before. Sure it's scaled down some for her age, but not THAT much. Not to where Clem is.
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Post by That Doom Guy on Jan 20, 2014 4:53:56 GMT
A man in his late 30s compared to an 11 year old girl........ She did pretty well. So that's your response to a well crafted argument? Disappointing. We've been over this point before. Sure it's scaled down some for her age, but not THAT much. Not to where Clem is. Dude that's because you're saying Lee went through more pain then Clem and still did more, Of course he's gonna be able to do more then her.
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Post by That Doom Guy on Jan 20, 2014 4:54:22 GMT
She did pretty well compared to Lee.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 5:00:52 GMT
So that's your response to a well crafted argument? Disappointing. We've been over this point before. Sure it's scaled down some for her age, but not THAT much. Not to where Clem is. Dude that's because you're saying Lee went through more pain then Clem and still did more, Of course he's gonna be able to do more then her. And as I fucking said, it's scaled down some because of her age, but if we're going off the first episode alone of each season, then she doesn't meet that standard. It's possible for her to save no one. It's possible for her to be straight up evil. In this episode, she's no badass. The only lives that she affects every time is Omid and the dog. Lee got NOBODY killed in the first episode, except possibly Shawn, though I'm not sure I count that, because he dies either way. Clementine can get THREE kills. TWO of which were people devoted to saving her life.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 5:03:48 GMT
She did pretty well compared to Lee. Not at all. In the first 10 minutes, Lee escapes a Harry Houdini-like situation and saves a little girl's life. In the first ten minutes of Clem's story, she gets Omid killed, and kills one bandit, partially out of luck.
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Post by That Doom Guy on Jan 20, 2014 5:07:02 GMT
Ah, I understand now. You're mad she got Omid killed........
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