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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 0:49:18 GMT
Replaying Season Two, I just figured I'd make this thread.
For me, it's just really narrowed down to a few.
Bonnie and Mike. I seriously don't get why Bonnie and Mike betrayed the group, aside from just it being a reason to kill off/get rid of everyone but Clem, AJ, and Kenny/Jane. Bonnie and Mike were two of my favorite characters the whole season, and it's a real shame that they were pretty much pushed to the side. I suppose it's possible that they could return in Season Three, but it's not very likely, and if they do, then Bonnie probably won't be around for long since she's determinate. And I don't get why that had to be the case either... This kind of ties into the whole thing of how they killed Luke, Sarah, Nick, and Carlos, too. Just killing people for the sake of killing them. I mean, it seems that with GoT, they've learned that they don't need to do that, but it's too late the fix the damage that's already been done.
Carver/The Russians. I've said this a bunch of times, but really, Carver shouldn't have died when he did. I really don't get why it couldn't have been Troy. I mean, obviously they'd probably have to cut the scene with Kenny, or it just wouldn't have as much meaning, but it would have been worth it.
It would have made much more sense for Carver to show up in Episode 4. They wouldn't have to cut Arvo, either. If you steal from him or not, him showing up would have still made sense, because Carver would have forced him to show him where they were, perhaps having threatened his sister. The choice to rob him or not could still have consequence, as he might have been more sympathetic to Clem if she didn't rob him. and if he were forced, then he'd just all around be a more sympathetic character in Episode 5.
And even if Carver had to be killed in Episode 3, the shootout was still handled poorly. I mean, it was just awful...
Finally, replacing Jane as the foil character to Kenny at the last second. In some ways, this actually made sense to me. I mean, Jane is a better foil for Kenny than Luke is. Both Luke and Kenny don't really deal with loss very well, they're both leader, they both prioritize family... I would say the major difference between them is that Kenny is rash and Luke isn't, but that's not really true. They're both kind of rash, it's just that Luke isn't as aggressive about it. They clashed because they were so similar, and while they still made good foil characters, a major conflict between them would never have worked.
Now, Jane on the other hand, she's tempered by hardship, she doesn't really care about family, and she does think things through. So, it makes sense for her to be a more confrontational foil to Kenny. But they should have started that sooner. Kenny and Jane don't interact much in Episode 3 and 4, but Kenny actually seems to respect her, so... it just came a little out of the blue.
And regardless, all the build up between Kenny and Luke never should have just been abandoned. I don't think it could have worked as the final choice, but there should have been something. Also, Luke never should have died.
This whole Season was just a mess. That being said, I still don't think it's bad. It's just so unorganized, there was no direction at all... I'm hoping they handle Season Three better than this, because there's still a lot of things about Season Two that I like even more than in Season One, it just reeks of wasted potential.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on May 12, 2015 0:57:45 GMT
Replaying Season Two, I just figured I'd make this thread. For me, it's just really narrowed down to a few. Bonnie and Mike. I seriously don't get why Bonnie and Mike betrayed the group, aside from just it being a reason to kill off/get rid of everyone but Clem, AJ, and Kenny/Jane. Bonnie and Mike were two of my favorite characters the whole season, and it's a real shame that they were pretty much pushed to the side. I suppose it's possible that they could return in Season Three, but it's not very likely, and if they do, then Bonnie probably won't be around for long since she's determinate. And I don't get why that had to be the case either... This kind of ties into the whole thing of how they killed Luke, Sarah, Nick, and Carlos, too. Just killing people for the sake of killing them. I mean, it seems that with GoT, they've learned that they don't need to do that, but it's too late the fix the damage that's already been done. Carver/The Russians. I've said this a bunch of times, but really, Carver shouldn't have died when he did. I really don't get why it couldn't have been Troy. I mean, obviously they'd probably have to cut the scene with Kenny, or it just wouldn't have as much meaning, but it would have been worth it. It would have made much more sense for Carver to show up in Episode 4. They wouldn't have to cut Arvo, either. If you steal from him or not, him showing up would have still made sense, because Carver would have forced him to show him where they were, perhaps having threatened his sister. The choice to rob him or not could still have consequence, as he might have been more sympathetic to Clem if she didn't rob him. and if he were forced, then he'd just all around be a more sympathetic character in Episode 5. And even if Carver had to be killed in Episode 3, the shootout was still handled poorly. I mean, it was just awful... Finally, replacing Jane as the foil character to Kenny at the last second. In some ways, this actually made sense to me. I mean, Jane is a better foil for Kenny than Luke is. Both Luke and Kenny don't really deal with loss very well, they're both leader, they both prioritize family... I would say the major difference between them is that Kenny is rash and Luke isn't, but that's not really true. They're both kind of rash, it's just that Luke isn't as aggressive about it. They clashed because they were so similar, and while they still made good foil characters, a major conflict between them would never have worked. Now, Jane on the other hand, she's tempered by hardship, she doesn't really care about family, and she does think things through. So, it makes sense for her to be a more confrontational foil to Kenny. But they should have started that sooner. Kenny and Jane don't interact much in Episode 3 and 4, but Kenny actually seems to respect her, so... it just came a little out of the blue. And regardless, all the build up between Kenny and Luke never should have just been abandoned. I don't think it could have worked as the final choice, but there should have been something. Also, Luke never should have died. This whole Season was just a mess. That being said, I still don't think it's bad. It's just so unorganized, there was no direction at all... I'm hoping they handle Season Three better than this, because there's still a lot of things about Season Two that I like even more than in Season One, it just reeks of wasted potential. I am not as bitter about Mike and Bonnie leaving as some, but I do see why some people hate it so much, and yes, thank god somebody learned there lesson about pointless death when GOT got made. Yeah, I was worried that Carver died to early, and after thinking about it, yeah I was right, they hyped him up, then quickly dropped him, seriously, what the fuck? The thing that still pisses me off was what they did to Nick, dear god, its been a while since I saw a death handled that poorly. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 1:13:27 GMT
Replaying Season Two, I just figured I'd make this thread. For me, it's just really narrowed down to a few. Bonnie and Mike. I seriously don't get why Bonnie and Mike betrayed the group, aside from just it being a reason to kill off/get rid of everyone but Clem, AJ, and Kenny/Jane. Bonnie and Mike were two of my favorite characters the whole season, and it's a real shame that they were pretty much pushed to the side. I suppose it's possible that they could return in Season Three, but it's not very likely, and if they do, then Bonnie probably won't be around for long since she's determinate. And I don't get why that had to be the case either... This kind of ties into the whole thing of how they killed Luke, Sarah, Nick, and Carlos, too. Just killing people for the sake of killing them. I mean, it seems that with GoT, they've learned that they don't need to do that, but it's too late the fix the damage that's already been done. Carver/The Russians. I've said this a bunch of times, but really, Carver shouldn't have died when he did. I really don't get why it couldn't have been Troy. I mean, obviously they'd probably have to cut the scene with Kenny, or it just wouldn't have as much meaning, but it would have been worth it. It would have made much more sense for Carver to show up in Episode 4. They wouldn't have to cut Arvo, either. If you steal from him or not, him showing up would have still made sense, because Carver would have forced him to show him where they were, perhaps having threatened his sister. The choice to rob him or not could still have consequence, as he might have been more sympathetic to Clem if she didn't rob him. and if he were forced, then he'd just all around be a more sympathetic character in Episode 5. And even if Carver had to be killed in Episode 3, the shootout was still handled poorly. I mean, it was just awful... Finally, replacing Jane as the foil character to Kenny at the last second. In some ways, this actually made sense to me. I mean, Jane is a better foil for Kenny than Luke is. Both Luke and Kenny don't really deal with loss very well, they're both leader, they both prioritize family... I would say the major difference between them is that Kenny is rash and Luke isn't, but that's not really true. They're both kind of rash, it's just that Luke isn't as aggressive about it. They clashed because they were so similar, and while they still made good foil characters, a major conflict between them would never have worked. Now, Jane on the other hand, she's tempered by hardship, she doesn't really care about family, and she does think things through. So, it makes sense for her to be a more confrontational foil to Kenny. But they should have started that sooner. Kenny and Jane don't interact much in Episode 3 and 4, but Kenny actually seems to respect her, so... it just came a little out of the blue. And regardless, all the build up between Kenny and Luke never should have just been abandoned. I don't think it could have worked as the final choice, but there should have been something. Also, Luke never should have died. This whole Season was just a mess. That being said, I still don't think it's bad. It's just so unorganized, there was no direction at all... I'm hoping they handle Season Three better than this, because there's still a lot of things about Season Two that I like even more than in Season One, it just reeks of wasted potential. I am not as bitter about Mike and Bonnie leaving as some, but I do see why some people hate it so much, and yes, thank god somebody learned there lesson about pointless death when GOT got made. Yeah, I was worried that Carver died to early, and after thinking about it, yeah I was right, they hyped him up, then quickly dropped him, seriously, what the fuck? The thing that still pisses me off was what they did to Nick, dear god, its been a while since I saw a death handled that poorly. Yeah, Nick's death sucked. I have to say though, I'm not really angry at all about Sarah's death. It shouldn't have been a choice though. Like, at all. She should have just died. Or, if they wanted to keep the choice, then they should have made her second death more meaningful. |
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on May 12, 2015 1:19:15 GMT
I am not as bitter about Mike and Bonnie leaving as some, but I do see why some people hate it so much, and yes, thank god somebody learned there lesson about pointless death when GOT got made. Yeah, I was worried that Carver died to early, and after thinking about it, yeah I was right, they hyped him up, then quickly dropped him, seriously, what the fuck? The thing that still pisses me off was what they did to Nick, dear god, its been a while since I saw a death handled that poorly. Yeah, Nick's death sucked. I have to say though, I'm not really angry at all about Sarah's death. It shouldn't have been a choice though. Like, at all. She should have just died. Or, if they wanted to keep the choice, then they should have made her second death more meaningful. Same, Sarita and Sarah didn't piss me off, it was Nick that I nearly broke a window over. I have had that 360 for five years, and I can't recall a single moment where I paused the game, gripped both ends of the controller, and swore every obscenity that comes to mind for five minutes, then left the room, drank an entire root beer, then came back 30 minutes later and started playing again. I am so lucky nobody was in the house at the time. That is how badly somebody fucked up, just thank the lord for Nick Breckon. |
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Post by Autobot Sonic on May 12, 2015 3:00:23 GMT
Yeah, Nick's death sucked. I have to say though, I'm not really angry at all about Sarah's death. It shouldn't have been a choice though. Like, at all. She should have just died. Or, if they wanted to keep the choice, then they should have made her second death more meaningful. Same, Sarita and Sarah didn't piss me off, it was Nick that I nearly broke a window over. I have had that 360 for five years, and I can't recall a single moment where I paused the game, gripped both ends of the controller, and swore every obscenity that comes to mind for five minutes, then left the room, drank an entire root beer, then came back 30 minutes later and started playing again. I am so lucky nobody was in the house at the time. That is how badly somebody fucked up, just thank the lord for Nick Breckon. Funny how when that happened for me, I was less pissed, and more worried about the rants Harp would go on after I finished the episode.  Seriously though, the only problems I had this season were the uselessness of teaching Sarah how to shoot, Bonnie's betrayal, Christa's disappearance, and replacing Ralph with Mike. I think that when she gets trapped in Ep.4, you should be able to toss Clem's gun to her and have her cover Jane while she saves her. If you didn't teach her she'd die, and she'd live if you did. As for Bonnie's betrayal, she was probably my favorite character alive besides Kenny up until then, and when I saw how Mike was acting towards Arvo, I was kinda suspecting treachery was afoot. Bonnie took me by surprise though, as I thought she'd learned her ways after Carver. Christa's disappearance is obvious, she was my favorite season 1 character besides Omid, and seeing her with an unknown fate since Episode 1 kinda pisses me off. Maybe she actually is at Wellington and Edith didn't pay attention (one can dream..). Finally, I would've enjoyed having Ralph in the group over Mike, primarily because it'd give us more info on Christa, and it'd open up some interesting decisions if people had to save him or another character. |
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on May 12, 2015 3:03:13 GMT
Same, Sarita and Sarah didn't piss me off, it was Nick that I nearly broke a window over. I have had that 360 for five years, and I can't recall a single moment where I paused the game, gripped both ends of the controller, and swore every obscenity that comes to mind for five minutes, then left the room, drank an entire root beer, then came back 30 minutes later and started playing again. I am so lucky nobody was in the house at the time. That is how badly somebody fucked up, just thank the lord for Nick Breckon. Funny how when that happened for me, I was less pissed, and more worried about the rants Harp would go on after I finished the episode. Seriously though, the only problems I had this season were the uselessness of teaching Sarah how to shoot, Bonnie's betrayal, Christa's disappearance, and replacing Ralph with Mike. I think that when she gets trapped in Ep.4, you should be able to toss Clem's gun to her and have her cover Jane while she saves her. If you didn't teach her she'd die, and she'd live if you did. As for Bonnie's betrayal, she was probably my favorite character alive besides Kenny up until then, and when I saw how Mike was acting towards Arvo, I was kinda suspecting treachery was afoot. Bonnie took me by surprise though, as I thought she'd learned her ways after Carver. Christa's disappearance is obvious, she was my favorite season 1 character besides Omid, and seeing her with an unknown fate since Episode 1 kinda pisses me off. Maybe she actually is at Wellington and Edith didn't pay attention (one can dream..). Finally, I would've enjoyed having Ralph in the group over Mike, primarily because it'd give us more info on Christa, and it'd open up some interesting decisions if people had to save him or another character. The Christa thing was dumb, I know in real life we don't always get closure, but come on man! You just wasted two people we liked from season 1 in about 15 minutes! |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 3:11:56 GMT
Amid The Ruins.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 3:18:34 GMT
Everything after A House Divided
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 3:55:58 GMT
There is no such thing as in harms way and amid the ruins. Those were just myths. It was all a dream and it ended there when Kenny died in the car crash.
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Post by dojo32161 on May 12, 2015 10:59:14 GMT
Nick's death is actually the only thing I hate about the Walking Dead video game series, otherwise everything else is enjoyable.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 11:04:31 GMT
Nick's death is actually the only thing I hate about the Walking Dead video game series, otherwise everything else is enjoyable. Really? Okay. |
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Post by [...] on May 12, 2015 12:03:01 GMT
I didn't like the fact that on the one hand you get beaten and hurt all the time  , it doesn't matter if you are a little girl or an adult - nobody cares, and on the other hand almost everything you do doesn't matter because you are a little girl and you don't have an impact (ok, there are some but I think you know what I mean). That's a paradox! IMO, there can be two things: 1. like S1 Clem and your choices have no big impacts 2. like S2 Clem and your choices have big impacts (3. like S1 Clem and your choices have big impacts) --> this would be another option for me, I don't like to see Clem hurt, injured, crying etc....  |
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Post by Master Psychic on May 12, 2015 13:06:05 GMT
My biggest disappointment is that season 2 basically ended just like in season 1, with the entire cast dead except Clem.
Most of the characters were undeveloped and easily forgettable, the way some of them died was really stupid like Nick's second death, Luke and Sarah's second death. I really never cared about the cabin group because of how undeveloped they were, din't even shed a tear at their deaths. Hell, it's a bigger insult that all of them are dead, with no survivors at all.
400 Days had no impact on season 2 besides seeing Roman's corpse, Tavia and the cameos from the 400 Days characters which really amounted to nothing and Bonnie got a important role than them.
Some of the choices barely mattered in this season, I think season 1's choices and TWAU's choices mattered more than these choices, episode 5 din't even have a special stats screen like the other finales from season 1 and TWAU. I saved Nick in episode 2 just for him to have 10 or 11 lines, be silent, get shot, see him again as a walker and kill him. And saving Sarah doesn't change anything at all, you barely talk to her after she gets saved and then dies just to give another example that weak people don't deserve to live and only the cruel, heartless, badass motherfuckers are the winners. What a joke. Oh, and let's not forget that giving water to the guy who attacked Christa din't matter at all cause we never see him again, I din't steal from Arvo and still attacks the group and accuses Clem of stealing. No matter what you say to the characters, they'll treat you the same no matter what. Rebecca doesn't bring up the time I threatened her about telling Alvin about the baby's father.
The whole thing between Kenny and Luke was for nothing, they kept hinting that there will be some big choice in which we have to save either Kenny or Luke and it ends right after Luke dies and it gets replaced by Kenny and Jane which came out of fucking nowhere. Let's be honest, how much did those two interact in episodes 3 and 4 than Kenny and Luke did? Sure, it would of been predictable if the final choice was Kenny and Luke but it wouldn't of been out of nowhere.
Omid and Christa were in this season for like 10 minutes and Omid gets killed off and Christa goes missing for the entire season and we never find out if she is still alive or not.
The Carver plot ended way too early and I think they should of kept him around till episode 4 or 5 and have some big fight/war between Clem and the cabin group and Carver and his gang. Hell, they should of scrapped Arvo and the russians and replace them with Carver's gang led by Tavia and with the 400 Days characters being there aswell.
As for Kenny, I think many people have already discussed about this and of course, I agree that Kenny shouldn't have been the main focus and it probably would of been for the best if he stayed dead in season 1.
And my last complaint is Clem being a protagonist. They treated her being a protagonist fine in S02E01, but later in the other episodes, the group treats Clem like a freaking adult and have her do stuff for them like going with Luke to check the bridge, her being the one to sneak around Carver's to escape and of course, the fucking wind turbine. Oh yeah, and her kicking the door open like Bigby. I know that Clem is supposed to be the protagonist and all, but they shouldn't have made the adults look so damn incompetent to the point where I wonder how they managed to survive 2 years in the apocalypse.
I really doubt they're gonna make the 5 endings matter that much in season 3, especially with determinant Kenny/Jane. I wouldn't be shocked if they get killed off after 10 minutes of season 3 just like with Omid and it leads to Clem being with AJ just like in the Alone ending. To be honest, I would prefer if Clem's story ended in season 2 but from since they said that the 5 endings will matter in season 3, this means that they're gonna continue her story in season 3.
This is what I want for season 3:
-Don't kill off the entire group just like seasons 1 and 2, have atleast 5 or 6 members alive and to be developed.
-Don't make Clem the protagonist of season 3.
-No more returning characters who are unknown or believed to be dead. Maybe Christa, Mike, Bonnie(even though she is determinant) and Arvo okay, but not other people like Lilly and Molly. And I really doubt we are gonna see Nate and Eddie again.
-Have some choices actually matter just like in season 1 and not give the determinants the silent treatment.
Damn, that was a long rant.
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Post by [...] on May 12, 2015 13:12:52 GMT
TKA wrote an awesome story about S3, that's how I'd like to see it!
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Post by wakemeup on May 12, 2015 14:46:28 GMT
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