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Post by Master Psychic on Aug 29, 2014 12:18:05 GMT
Clem was a good protagonist. I disagree. But her previously established personality wasn't really a problem. It was the fact that she was a kid. A 11 year old that was often more capable than entire group of adults. And nobody held a grudge against her for too long, because she was a kid. Yeah, that was also a problem. In episode 1, I thought Clem was gonna have a Lee-Larry relationship with Carlos and Rebecca, but goes nowhere because in episode 2, both of them are ok with Clem, even if you tell Carlos that Sarah needs to grow up or if you blackmail Rebecca by telling Alvin the father of the baby.
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Post by Zeruis on Aug 29, 2014 12:18:27 GMT
Yeah, I didn't enjoy my time playing as Clem. Won't be playing a S3 if it continues her story as the protagonist, which it most likely will.
Now Christa...there's some story potential right there. Playing as her right after she gets split up from Clem in E1 would be great. Hell, have her somehow encounter Clem with Jane or Kenny or by herself at the end of the season.
Christa also kinda seems like a morally grey character to me. More so than Clem, so I know it'll be easy to play as her. Whatever the case, I know that we won't need a two year timeskip to mangle her character so she can be played with any personality.
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Post by wakemeup on Aug 29, 2014 12:26:45 GMT
Yeah, I didn't enjoy my time playing as Clem. Won't be playing a S3 if it continues her story as the protagonist, which it most likely will. Now Christa...there's some story potential right there. Playing as her right after she gets split up from Clem in E1 would be great. Hell, have her somehow encounter Clem with Jane or Kenny or by herself at the end of the season. Christa also kinda seems like a morally grey character to me. More so than Clem, so I know it'll be easy to play as her. Whatever the case, I know that we won't need a two year timeskip to mangle her character so she can be played with any personality. Before episode 5, I was thinking we'd get Clem as season 3 protagonist, but now I don't think so. I'd probably play anyway, if Clem was the Pc, but I would be really disappointed. I agree, playing as Christa would be interesting. She doesn't trust people, but we could decide if she slowly starts warming up to the group she becomes a part of, like she did with Lee's group, or if she continues being untrusting towards them.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Aug 29, 2014 12:27:29 GMT
Yeah, I think they made the jump to Clem way too early. Should have had us play as Christa for S2 to have an opportunity to train and darken Clem a bit more before taking command of Clem in S3. This season should have been S3. But not much they can do about that now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 14:29:07 GMT
Just out of curiosity, ignoring the fact that it's very unlikely Telltale could do this, what problem would you have with playing from three separate storylines? If Telltale somehow managed to do it, and it wouldn't just fall apart, what problems would you have with that?
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Post by wakemeup on Aug 29, 2014 14:36:33 GMT
It's not unlikely, it's impossible that Telltale would do this. My main problem would be playing as Clem again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 14:40:52 GMT
It's not unlikely, it's impossible that Telltale would do this. My main problem would be playing as Clem again. How is it impossible? And yeah, playing as Clem again... unless they do a timeskip, making her older, but still have the endings matter.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Aug 29, 2014 14:47:07 GMT
Because they would have to make 3 completely different games, each serving 1/3 of their TWD fanbase. So unless they suddenly triple their budget and then develop an inexplicable allergy to money, that shit is not happening. Not until Half Life 3 gets a remastered edition.
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Post by sos on Aug 29, 2014 14:47:56 GMT
Play as Christa. Have different universes where she comes across Clementine and whomever she's with, if anyone. There's not a whole lot of clean up that would need to be done. Kenny and Jane are both determinant so they wouldn't last long. Then it's just Christa and Clementine again. Blehhhh. Never mind. That sucks. In those scenarios something would have to happen to Wellington or Howe's to get everyone on the same story path. Settlements can only fall so many times before that gets redundant. The more I think about it... why are they even doing season 3? We don't even need it.
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Post by Michael7123 on Aug 29, 2014 14:54:10 GMT
To personaly want to see where Clem's story continues. I'd like to have her as protagonist, but that ain't happening.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 15:05:19 GMT
Okay, so the separate storylines thing isn't happening for Season Three at least. At this point, I assume we're going to be left with new characters, and a new story.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Aug 30, 2014 10:53:41 GMT
Alright, so based off the assumption that Telltale will continue Clem's story in Season 3, here's how I think they would have to pull it off (copied from a post of mine at Telltale):
They need to start with 5 different threads and have them merge up again somehow. It's going to be difficult and costly to pull off but I really feel like this is only way to continue Clem's story in a satisfying way from No Going Back. Even if it takes two years and an entire DLC devoted to this, they should do it.
Now, the easiest way to accomplish this would be to get Clem back on the road alone. After that, the story can continue on whatever path it needs to. It would be relatively simple to pull this off with the "Alone" ending (obviously), the "Jane" endings, and the "Leave Wellington with Kenny" ending. None of those seem like they would be very permanent solutions and there are plenty of ways for things to go wrong and force Clem back on the road by herself.
The most challenging ending to bring back is the "Stay at Wellington" ending. Wellington, from what we've seen, is perfect. Absurdly high walls, lots of supplies (they're willing to give out whole duffle bags of food and medicine), pragmatic but empathetic leadership (based on Edith's personality and the fact that she was willing to talk them into letting Clem and the baby stay), and a much more reduced walker problem due to the cold. I don't see a place like that collapsing and if it did, it would just seem cheap and rehashed to have a whole community just fall like that again.
Solution? Don't have Wellington collapse. Have Clem be forced to leave Wellington. Have her break one of the community rules or get into a conflict with another survivor over there and be exiled. It makes sense. A place that big with that many survivors needs to have strict laws in place to prevent things from getting out of control. Clem is traumatized, alone, and has a baby that she wants to protect at all costs. There are a multitude of things that could go down that would end with her being forced to leave. After that, they can take her character in whatever direction they need.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 12:16:52 GMT
I just skimmed through the thread, so I don't know if anybody's suggested this, but here's what I think would be the best idea: Make 3-5 separate storylines that do not converge, but instead of using save files from season 1 and 2, just have a choice just before starting episode 1, something like "Who are you with?" (Option 1: At Wellington with AJ, Option 2: Near Wellington with AJ and Kenny, Option 3: Alone with AJ, etc.)
This seems unlikely, though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 12:44:28 GMT
I already mentioned something like this - an option to continue from S2 IF they would continue this story, this would require some time jump and Clem would still have to end up alone, because they won't create 3/5 different stories to begin with. If Clem ended up alone in S2 - easy, pick up where they left off. Otherwise it will look like this - Clem is alone and later explains that she was with: 1) a woman, Jane, but it didn't work out because 1a) they kept inviting people over and trust them too much, then there was a revolt and she had to escape this place, 1b) Jane was unbearable because she refused shelter to anyone, became a closed, yet manipulative person again and Clem didn't want to become like her; 2) a man, Kenny, but it didn't work out because 2a) she was travelling with him, but had to abandon him when he became more and more possessive and violent, 2a) he left her in Wellington and she felt like she was abandoned again, couldn't make relationships work there so after several months she left this place to look for him, but he was gone and nowhere to be found. The problem? This would invalidate all the endings of S2 because - good or bad - they felt personal and were supposedely telling us who Clem had become. Going back to one universal storyline (because that MUST happen, as that's how TT's games work) would ruin them.
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Post by Teacakes on Aug 30, 2014 12:44:37 GMT
I just skimmed through the thread, so I don't know if anybody's suggested this, but here's what I think would be the best idea: Make 3-5 separate storylines that do not converge, but instead of using save files from season 1 and 2, just have a choice just before starting episode 1, something like "Who are you with?" (Option 1: At Wellington with AJ, Option 2: Near Wellington with AJ and Kenny, Option 3: Alone with AJ, Option 4: God Kenny who summons boats and Ghost LeeThis seems unlikely, though. I suppose I have no choice but to stream it now. What's a good time?
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