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Post by Rock114 on Jul 4, 2014 20:18:49 GMT
Luke couldn't rely on the fact that Jane was around to tell them about the guts thing and Mike was there to mention the speakers to kickstart the other plan , so he had to come up with one himself. Admittedly, it wasn't very good because he was exhausted and couldn't think straight, but it was better than 'improvise'. Well, the thing is, he didn't come up with anything - except for grabbing that walkie talkie to communicate with the rest. He wanted that radio to prepare for... what? We don't know, because he didn't share any plan (and he was hiding in a store for a day), so it's likely that he didn't know what to do at all (except for grabbing food which got him caught, congratulations). IIRC, Luke said he would communicate the positions and patrol routes of the camp guards to the group. That sounds pretty useful to me, especially during an escape attempt. And can you blame him for wanting to get some food? He had gone days without eating or resting. Luke is human, just like everyone else.
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Post by Michael7123 on Jul 4, 2014 20:19:25 GMT
Luke couldn't rely on the fact that Jane was around to tell them about the guts thing and Mike was there to mention the speakers to kickstart the other plan , so he had to come up with one himself. Admittedly, it wasn't very good because he was exhausted and couldn't think straight, but it was better than 'improvise'. Well, the thing is, he didn't come up with anything - except for grabbing that walkie talkie to communicate with the rest. He wanted that radio to prepare for... what? We don't know, because he didn't share any plan (and he was hiding in a store for a day), so it's likely that he didn't know what to do at all (except for grabbing food which got him caught, congratulations). Except he did mention a plan: he would figure out what schedules the guards were on, and try to look for an opening. He would use the walkie to exchange information, that way he wouldn't have to keep flagging them down every day. When an opening came, they would all take it to escape.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 20:39:13 GMT
1. He wants Pete to inspect the bite because unlike Luke, Pete is an outdoorsman. A Hunter. Someone who would have more experience than him when it comes to animal bites. Luke freely admits that he would have no idea if the bite was "a dog bite, a walker bite, or a mosquito bite". Pete checking it was the logical thing to do, and since not even the group's Doctor was able to tell the difference, what chance would Luke have? And since nobody could tell if it really was a dog bite or not, Luke was entirely justified in not carrying Clem back to the cabin. All he had was Pete's assurance, which was based on no evidence, that Clem was telling the truth. 2. For all we know, Nick means that Luke can move past traumatic events, whereas we know that Nick really can't. Which is why he'd like to be like him, able to "move on" from things like that. And if Luke really did decide to "cut and run" in Episode 2, he wouldn't have tracked the group for days, on foot, alone, with no food or rest, just to bust them out of a prison camp where the guards would likely shoot him on sight. Those aren't the actions of someone like Luke. If anything, you're describing Jane. 3. Luke was only playing Devil's Advocate because everyone else wanted to leave when he wanted to stay put. He never wanted to leave anyone behind, which is why he recommended that they needed to stay a few more days and let everyone recover. 1. This whole 'I don't know what caused this bite' situation is one of the biggest plot holes in the entire franchise, so I wouldn't use it as an argument. What I mean is that Luke was making Pete do the dirty work. Just like he did with Clementine on the bridge in Ep2 ('You go talk to him, I'll cover you') - and don't tell me 'a man wouldn't hurt a child' nonsense - Episode 1 pretty much established that even children may be attacked. Ask another question - would you, as LEE, send Clementine to negotiate with some stranger? 2. This ability to move past traumatic events does not exclude lack of empathy. Of course this description fits Jane, but at least she's not hiding anything. And everybody is saying that Luke wouldn't be that selfish to go after the group only because of Carlos. Okay, I get it. But it damages other arguments - if we consider that Luke went after them because of Nick and tried to save his ass too because of family boundaries, then Episode 3 makes it look a lot worse - after all, you're saying that Luke incidentally got separated from the group, but remained with Nick... 3. Probably, but almost all his plans concern using someone to achieve his task - (Pete inspecting Clementine, Clementine talking to stranger, Kenny being abandoned (and also Reggie - during their first attempt to run)) - but he almost never does anything himeslf directly, which leads us to... IIRC, Luke said he would communicate the positions and patrol routes of the camp guards to the group. That sounds pretty useful to me, especially during an escape attempt. And can you blame him for wanting to get some food? He had gone days without eating or resting. Luke is human, just like everyone else. Except he did mention a plan: he would figure out what schedules the guards were on, and try to look for an opening. He would use the walkie to exchange information, that way he wouldn't have to keep flagging them down every day. When an opening came, they would all take it to escape. Okay, he would communicate their positions etc. But what else? The group would probably have to break out by themselves, because Luke would probably 'Cover them from the distance', just like he told Clementine in Episode2 -.-
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Post by Rock114 on Jul 4, 2014 20:59:07 GMT
1. He wants Pete to inspect the bite because unlike Luke, Pete is an outdoorsman. A Hunter. Someone who would have more experience than him when it comes to animal bites. Luke freely admits that he would have no idea if the bite was "a dog bite, a walker bite, or a mosquito bite". Pete checking it was the logical thing to do, and since not even the group's Doctor was able to tell the difference, what chance would Luke have? And since nobody could tell if it really was a dog bite or not, Luke was entirely justified in not carrying Clem back to the cabin. All he had was Pete's assurance, which was based on no evidence, that Clem was telling the truth. 2. For all we know, Nick means that Luke can move past traumatic events, whereas we know that Nick really can't. Which is why he'd like to be like him, able to "move on" from things like that. And if Luke really did decide to "cut and run" in Episode 2, he wouldn't have tracked the group for days, on foot, alone, with no food or rest, just to bust them out of a prison camp where the guards would likely shoot him on sight. Those aren't the actions of someone like Luke. If anything, you're describing Jane. 3. Luke was only playing Devil's Advocate because everyone else wanted to leave when he wanted to stay put. He never wanted to leave anyone behind, which is why he recommended that they needed to stay a few more days and let everyone recover. 1. This whole 'I don't know what caused this bite' situation is one of the biggest plot holes in the entire franchise, so I wouldn't use it as an argument. What I mean is that Luke was making Pete do the dirty work. Just like he did with Clementine on the bridge in Ep2 ('You go talk to him, I'll cover you') - and don't tell me 'a man wouldn't hurt a child' nonsense - Episode 1 pretty much established that even children may be attacked. Ask another question - would you, as LEE, send Clementine to negotiate with some stranger? 2. This ability to move past traumatic events does not exclude lack of empathy. Of course this description fits Jane, but at least she's not hiding anything. And everybody is saying that Luke wouldn't be that selfish to go after the group only because of Carlos. Okay, I get it. But it damages other arguments - if we consider that Luke went after them because of Nick and tried to save his ass too because of family boundaries, then Episode 3 makes it look a lot worse - after all, you're saying that Luke incidentally got separated from the group, but remained with Nick... 3. Probably, but almost all his plans concern using someone to achieve his task - (Pete inspecting Clementine, Clementine talking to stranger, Kenny being abandoned (and also Reggie, during their first attempt to run) - but he almost never does anything himeslf directly, which leads us to... IIRC, Luke said he would communicate the positions and patrol routes of the camp guards to the group. That sounds pretty useful to me, especially during an escape attempt. And can you blame him for wanting to get some food? He had gone days without eating or resting. Luke is human, just like everyone else. Except he did mention a plan: he would figure out what schedules the guards were on, and try to look for an opening. He would use the walkie to exchange information, that way he wouldn't have to keep flagging them down every day. When an opening came, they would all take it to escape. Okay, he would communicate their positions etc. But what else? The group would probably have to break out by themselves, because Luke would probably 'Cover them from the distance', just like he told Clementine -.- 1. Just because the writers fucked up with that doesn't mean it can't be used, because that's a scene that still happened. You can't just exclude it. Luke was doing the logical thing because it was logical, not because he wanted to use Pete as a human shield in case Clem DID turn. As for the bridge, people may be willing to hurt children, but most people are less willing to hurt them than they are to hurt adults. Look at everyone we met in Season 1 who warmed up to Clem almost immediately. Chuck is a prime example of this. There were people like the bandits and the St. Johns who were just bad, but most of the characters took to Clem immediately. Because she was a child. Luke was counting on Matthew being one of the nicer people (and he was right) but he was completely prepared to intervene if he threatened Clem. As for if Lee would have done what Luke did... no, he wouldn't have. But Luke isn't Lee. 2. What if we consider that Luke went after the group because they were his group? There is absolutely nothing indicating that he went after the group soley for Carlos, or solely for Nick. In fact, Luke shows up in Episode 3 anyway even if Nick is dead, so that argument just plain doesn't make sense. Luke accidentally got separated from the majority of the group, but managed to remain with Nick. It was an accident. The entire group was split up. Ask yourself why Kenny wasn't with Clem and Sarita. The answer? He got accidentally separated from them by the herd. It didn't just happen to Luke. 3. Pete would know more about animal bites than him, but Luke would have his back if Clem turned (and didn't you say we couldn't use this scene as an argument because it was such a big plothole?). Clem would be less likely to be shot, and while it was still possible, he said he'd shoot Matthew if it came to that. Luke was only playing Devil's Advocate. He wanted to stay and let people recover so that they didn't have to leave anybody behind. At the time he suggests leaving Kenny behind, it's because Kenny is unconscious with possible brain damage. They would have died if they had tried to take him and he hadn't woken up. And let's not forget that when everyone looks to Clem to turn on the PA system, Luke is the only one who objects on the grounds that it would be dangerous for her. As for the radio, what else would he do? Providing the guards' patrol routes would be invaluable. Do you expect him to just turn himself in to Carver so he can escape with the group because "Well, it's only fair that I'm here with you guys"?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 21:23:19 GMT
I almost feel like I've started a war or something... 1. Just because the writers fucked up with that doesn't mean it can't be used, because that's a scene that still happened. You can't just exclude it. Luke was doing the logical thing because it was logical, not because he wanted to use Pete as a human shield in case Clem DID turn. As for the bridge, people may be willing to hurt children, but most people are less willing to hurt them than they are to hurt adults. Look at everyone we met in Season 1 who warmed up to Clem almost immediately. Chuck is a prime example of this. There were people like the bandits and the St. Johns who were just bad, but most of the characters took to Clem immediately. Because she was a child. Luke was counting on Matthew being one of the nicer people (and he was right) but he was completely prepared to intervene if he threatened Clem. As for if Lee would have done what Luke did... no, he wouldn't have. But Luke isn't Lee. 2. What if we consider that Luke went after the group because they were his group? There is absolutely nothing indicating that he went after the group soley for Carlos, or solely for Nick. In fact, Luke shows up in Episode 3 anyway even if Nick is dead, so that argument just plain doesn't make sense. Luke accidentally got separated from the majority of the group, but managed to remain with Nick. It was an accident. The entire group was split up. Ask yourself why Kenny wasn't with Clem and Sarita. The answer? He got accidentally separated from them by the herd. It didn't just happen to Luke. 3. Pete would know more about animal bites than him, but Luke would have his back if Clem turned (and didn't you say we couldn't use this scene as an argument because it was such a big plothole?). Clem would be less likely to be shot, and while it was still possible, he said he'd shoot Matthew if it came to that. Luke was only playing Devil's Advocate. He wanted to stay and let people recover so that they didn't have to leave anybody behind. At the time he suggests leaving Kenny behind, it's because Kenny is unconscious with possible brain damage. They would have died if they had tried to take him and he hadn't woken up. And let's not forget that when everyone looks to Clem to turn on the PA system, Luke is the only one who objects on the grounds that it would be dangerous for her. As for the radio, what else would he do? Providing the guards' patrol routes would be invaluable. Do you expect him to just turn himself in to Carver so he can escape with the group because "Well, it's only fair that I'm here with you guys"? 1. Writers did fuck up, but we can assume Luke (and the enitre cabin group) already seen a lurker bite (they mentioned that they had to put down a bitten person) so if everybody is to be blamed for not recognizing it - fine, but only Luke behaves like a little girl and has someone else check it (doesn't matter that Pete was an outdoor person before - everybody IS since apocalypse, it's been 2-3 years. And if Luke was hunting sometimes during that time, it invalidates his statement that he's not going to check the bite - he's afraid, that's all). Clem was attacked at the beginning of Season 2 in the forest, so I say that it was dangerous to send her to negotiate. I don't know if I would trust a little girl accompanied by a grown up armed with rifle pointed at me. I'd think she's just a Trojan Horse. 2-3. Scratch that, I forgot that Nick can be killed in Ep2. Still, Luke almost always plays Devil's Advocate. Did he ever come up with a plan that didn't assume sacrificing someone/leaving someone behind? Moreover - did he ever tried to do something himself? Clementine has to retrieve the radio while he will be WAITING for her, Clementine will go negotiating with a stranger while he will be WAITING for her signal if something goes sideways... That's what I hate about the character - if he comes up with something, you can be sure that he will remain mostly passive. As for the radio - I didn't expect him to turn himself in, just that he will do something else than providing guard routes to the group and giving them heads up when to escape. I was thinking that he may aid them more directly later (for Christ's sake, he was able to come in and out of the store undetected!), unfortunately there was no indication that he'll do such thing. Except maybe 'covering them from the distance', but that's uncertain. He didn't even have a gun, and if he had trouble stealing food, I don't see how on Earth was he supposed to steal a weapon.
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Post by Rock114 on Jul 4, 2014 21:45:12 GMT
I almost feel like I've started a war or something... 1. Just because the writers fucked up with that doesn't mean it can't be used, because that's a scene that still happened. You can't just exclude it. Luke was doing the logical thing because it was logical, not because he wanted to use Pete as a human shield in case Clem DID turn. As for the bridge, people may be willing to hurt children, but most people are less willing to hurt them than they are to hurt adults. Look at everyone we met in Season 1 who warmed up to Clem almost immediately. Chuck is a prime example of this. There were people like the bandits and the St. Johns who were just bad, but most of the characters took to Clem immediately. Because she was a child. Luke was counting on Matthew being one of the nicer people (and he was right) but he was completely prepared to intervene if he threatened Clem. As for if Lee would have done what Luke did... no, he wouldn't have. But Luke isn't Lee. 2. What if we consider that Luke went after the group because they were his group? There is absolutely nothing indicating that he went after the group soley for Carlos, or solely for Nick. In fact, Luke shows up in Episode 3 anyway even if Nick is dead, so that argument just plain doesn't make sense. Luke accidentally got separated from the majority of the group, but managed to remain with Nick. It was an accident. The entire group was split up. Ask yourself why Kenny wasn't with Clem and Sarita. The answer? He got accidentally separated from them by the herd. It didn't just happen to Luke. 3. Pete would know more about animal bites than him, but Luke would have his back if Clem turned (and didn't you say we couldn't use this scene as an argument because it was such a big plothole?). Clem would be less likely to be shot, and while it was still possible, he said he'd shoot Matthew if it came to that. Luke was only playing Devil's Advocate. He wanted to stay and let people recover so that they didn't have to leave anybody behind. At the time he suggests leaving Kenny behind, it's because Kenny is unconscious with possible brain damage. They would have died if they had tried to take him and he hadn't woken up. And let's not forget that when everyone looks to Clem to turn on the PA system, Luke is the only one who objects on the grounds that it would be dangerous for her. As for the radio, what else would he do? Providing the guards' patrol routes would be invaluable. Do you expect him to just turn himself in to Carver so he can escape with the group because "Well, it's only fair that I'm here with you guys"? 1. Writers did fuck up, but we can assume Luke (and the enitre cabin group) already seen a lurker bite (they mentioned that they had to put down a bitten person) so if everybody is to be blamed for not recognizing it - fine, but only Luke behaves like a little girl and has someone else check it (doesn't matter that Pete was an outdoor person before - everybody IS since apocalypse, it's been 2-3 years. And if Luke was hunting sometimes during that time, it invalidates his statement that he's not going to check the bite - he's afraid, that's all). Clem was attacked at the beginning of Season 2 in the forest, so I say that it was dangerous to send her to negotiate. I don't know if I would trust a little girl accompanied by a grown up armed with rifle pointed at me. I'd think she's just a Trojan Horse. 2-3. Scratch that, I forgot that Nick can be killed in Ep2. Still, Luke almost always plays Devil's Advocate. Did he ever come up with a plan that didn't assume sacrificing someone/leaving someone behind? Moreover - did he ever tried to do something himself? Clementine has to retrieve the radio while he will be WAITING for her, Clementine will go negotiating with a stranger while he will be WAITING for her signal if something goes sideways... That's what I hate about the character - if he comes up with something, you can be sure that he will remain mostly passive. As for the radio - I didn't expect him to turn himself in, just that he will do something else than providing guard routes to the group and giving them heads up when to escape. I was thinking that he may aid them more directly later (for Christ's sake, he was able to come in and out of the store undetected!), unfortunately there was no indication that he'll do such thing. Except maybe 'covering them from the distance', but that's uncertain. He didn't even have a gun, and if he had trouble stealing food, I don't see how on Earth was he supposed to steal a weapon. Eh, it's not a war. Just a friendly debate over Luke's character. I've got nothing against you or people who hate Luke. This is actually kind of funny, because i like Kenny more than Luke. And back to business... 1. Luke may be able to identify a lurker bite, but Pete would be able to identify a dog bite. That was the point, to determine if it was a dog bite or not, so it still makes much more sense for Pete to do it. Matthew wasn't pointing his gun at them, and Luke's hand was hovering over his gun for the entire conversation until Matthew proved himself to be friendly. 3. Luke played Devil's Advocate once, which was in Episode 3. He never wanted Clem specifically to get the radio, he just wanted her to inform the group of his plan and have them hash out the best way to get it. The group are the ones who decide it needs to be Clem. He was waiting so that Carver's guards wouldn't discover him, and yeah, he screwed that up when he went to get some food, but I feel that I've covered why I think trying to get food was justified for him earlier in this thread. And if Matthew was going to shoot anyone, he'd shoot Luke even if it was Clem doing the talking. Clem didn't have a gun, Luke did. That makes him the bigger target, and he was beside Clem that entire time. Don't forget that when Nick showed up and took the shot at Matthew, Luke pulled Clem down and covered her with his own body to protect her just in case Nick missed. Providing the locations of the guards isn't enough? Knowing where the guards are is possibly the most important thing during an escape. I have no idea what more he could do when he's guiding the group out like that unless he wants to blow the plan. Shooting a weapon would immediately alert all the guards that there was an escape in progress, so covering them isn't really an option.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 22:13:50 GMT
I almost feel like I've started a war or something... 1. Writers did fuck up, but we can assume Luke (and the enitre cabin group) already seen a lurker bite (they mentioned that they had to put down a bitten person) so if everybody is to be blamed for not recognizing it - fine, but only Luke behaves like a little girl and has someone else check it (doesn't matter that Pete was an outdoor person before - everybody IS since apocalypse, it's been 2-3 years. And if Luke was hunting sometimes during that time, it invalidates his statement that he's not going to check the bite - he's afraid, that's all). Clem was attacked at the beginning of Season 2 in the forest, so I say that it was dangerous to send her to negotiate. I don't know if I would trust a little girl accompanied by a grown up armed with rifle pointed at me. I'd think she's just a Trojan Horse. 2-3. Scratch that, I forgot that Nick can be killed in Ep2. Still, Luke almost always plays Devil's Advocate. Did he ever come up with a plan that didn't assume sacrificing someone/leaving someone behind? Moreover - did he ever tried to do something himself? Clementine has to retrieve the radio while he will be WAITING for her, Clementine will go negotiating with a stranger while he will be WAITING for her signal if something goes sideways... That's what I hate about the character - if he comes up with something, you can be sure that he will remain mostly passive. As for the radio - I didn't expect him to turn himself in, just that he will do something else than providing guard routes to the group and giving them heads up when to escape. I was thinking that he may aid them more directly later (for Christ's sake, he was able to come in and out of the store undetected!), unfortunately there was no indication that he'll do such thing. Except maybe 'covering them from the distance', but that's uncertain. He didn't even have a gun, and if he had trouble stealing food, I don't see how on Earth was he supposed to steal a weapon. Eh, it's not a war. Just a friendly debate over Luke's character. I've got nothing against you or people who hate Luke. This is actually kind of funny, because i like Kenny more than Luke. And back to business... 1. Luke may be able to identify a lurker bite, but Pete would be able to identify a dog bite. That was the point, to determine if it was a dog bite or not, so it still makes much more sense for Pete to do it. Matthew wasn't pointing his gun at them, and Luke's hand was hovering over his gun for the entire conversation until Matthew proved himself to be friendly. 3. Luke played Devil's Advocate once, which was in Episode 3. He never wanted Clem specifically to get the radio, he just wanted her to inform the group of his plan and have them hash out the best way to get it. The group are the ones who decide it needs to be Clem. He was waiting so that Carver's guards wouldn't discover him, and yeah, he screwed that up when he went to get some food, but I feel that I've covered why I think trying to get food was justified for him earlier in this thread. And if Matthew was going to shoot anyone, he'd shoot Luke even if it was Clem doing the talking. Clem didn't have a gun, Luke did. That makes him the bigger target, and he was beside Clem that entire time. Don't forget that when Nick showed up and took the shot at Matthew, Luke pulled Clem down and covered her with his own body to protect her just in case Nick missed. Providing the locations of the guards isn't enough? Knowing where the guards are is possibly the most important thing during an escape. I have no idea what more he could do when he's guiding the group out like that unless he wants to blow the plan. Shooting a weapon would immediately alert all the guards that there was an escape in progress, so covering them isn't really an option. I didn't mean 'war' literaly, it's just that it's been a long time since I've had such long and logical Internet discussion. Feels like a true war, only with words, not guns 1. Okay, I may partially agree on Pete-inspecting-the-bite thing, but the way Luke handled it was awful - it's not like he asked him to check it, he just said that Pete will do it (without consulting it with him beforehand). Kind of a dickish move that made him unlikable to me from that moment forward. Same thing with Clementine-Matthew situation. 3. I know that Clementine ended up retreiving the radio, but still Luke's plan assumed that someone will bring him the radio. He was inside the store and nobody knew he was there, he could've tried to do it himself - but he didn't (the Group was under observation, locked away, while he was unsupervised, free to roam the building. It was a problem for him to take a radio, but he didn't hesitate to steal the food? Give me a break). As for the guns - he should've been prepared for things to go downhill, it's not like he was expecting that everybody will escape unnoticed. He wouldn't help them from outside if they would be caught unarmed.
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Post by Rock114 on Jul 5, 2014 0:14:00 GMT
Eh, it's not a war. Just a friendly debate over Luke's character. I've got nothing against you or people who hate Luke. This is actually kind of funny, because i like Kenny more than Luke. And back to business... 1. Luke may be able to identify a lurker bite, but Pete would be able to identify a dog bite. That was the point, to determine if it was a dog bite or not, so it still makes much more sense for Pete to do it. Matthew wasn't pointing his gun at them, and Luke's hand was hovering over his gun for the entire conversation until Matthew proved himself to be friendly. 3. Luke played Devil's Advocate once, which was in Episode 3. He never wanted Clem specifically to get the radio, he just wanted her to inform the group of his plan and have them hash out the best way to get it. The group are the ones who decide it needs to be Clem. He was waiting so that Carver's guards wouldn't discover him, and yeah, he screwed that up when he went to get some food, but I feel that I've covered why I think trying to get food was justified for him earlier in this thread. And if Matthew was going to shoot anyone, he'd shoot Luke even if it was Clem doing the talking. Clem didn't have a gun, Luke did. That makes him the bigger target, and he was beside Clem that entire time. Don't forget that when Nick showed up and took the shot at Matthew, Luke pulled Clem down and covered her with his own body to protect her just in case Nick missed. Providing the locations of the guards isn't enough? Knowing where the guards are is possibly the most important thing during an escape. I have no idea what more he could do when he's guiding the group out like that unless he wants to blow the plan. Shooting a weapon would immediately alert all the guards that there was an escape in progress, so covering them isn't really an option. I didn't mean 'war' literaly, it's just that it's been a long time since I've had such long and logical Internet discussion. Feels like a true war, only with words, not guns 1. Okay, I may partially agree on Pete-inspecting-the-bite thing, but the way Luke handled it was awful - it's not like he asked him to check it, he just said that Pete will do it (without consulting it with him beforehand). Kind of a dickish move that made him unlikable to me from that moment forward. Same thing with Clementine-Matthew situation. 3. I know that Clementine ended up retreiving the radio, but still Luke's plan assumed that someone will bring him the radio. He was inside the store and nobody knew he was there, he could've tried to do it himself - but he didn't (the Group was under observation, locked away, while he was unsupervised, free to roam the building. It was a problem for him to take a radio, but he didn't hesitate to steal the food? Give me a break). As for the guns - he should've been prepared for things to go downhill, it's not like he was expecting that everybody will escape unnoticed. He wouldn't help them from outside if they would be caught unarmed. 1. That made him unlikable? Well, I don't think I can say much if that was what offended you. It's not like Pete held it against him though, and Luke even showed Pete great respect afterward by calling him "sir". 3. The group was clearly not supervised closely, given that Clem is able to steal the radios out from under Carver's nose with hardly a hitch until the next morning. The same goes for her starting up the PA system. If the group was being closely monitored, that stuff never could have happened. Having someone from the group take a radio would actually be the better option, because Luke runs much less of a risk being discovered. Sure he gave in and tried to get some food, but he was starving. He hadn't eaten in days. What's so horrible about that? All he wanted was to not starve. The point of guiding them out in his way was so that they weren't discovered at all, and thus wouldn't need any guns. And like I said, knowing where the guards are is far more valuable than having a weapon. Luke was doing all that he could, and what he was doing was actually pretty dangerous.
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Post by higgsboson2142 on Jul 7, 2014 5:25:25 GMT
So now I've gotta ask myself: Is this thread about Felix Kjellberg, or Luke, or am I hallucinating and this is something completely different?
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Post by Rock114 on Jul 7, 2014 5:42:13 GMT
It's about Luke. Deadwaste made this thread, and... well, stick around long enough and you'll understand.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Jul 7, 2014 17:21:01 GMT
Honest to god I don't even know for sure.
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Post by Michael7123 on Jul 11, 2014 15:16:23 GMT
So, you were saying about Luke ditching the group whenever there was danger?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 15:17:03 GMT
So, you were saying about Luke ditching the group whenever there was danger? Exactly, being split up from the group does not equal abandoning them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 19:16:33 GMT
So, you were saying about Luke ditching the group whenever there was danger? Yes. And I also said that it is quite possible for him to rejoin the group once the situation cools down. Besides, the screenshot suggests that they were probably taken by surprise and ambushed (please mind that while they were also ambushed at the ski lodge, they were divided in smaller groups, the situation happend at night and it was easier for Luke to slip away - and that's not the case here). Telltale also has a history of creating advertising materials that mislead players (like Kenny without a bandage in Ep3 trailer) to keep the story under wraps. Of course it's probable that Luke, after separated in the herd, will return and again pose as a knight in the shining armor, but I'm still not convinced about his behaviour so far. He seems incredibly fake to me and I claim that he will drop all this 'save-the-day hero' facade soon (although I guess that Telltale will rather keep this kind of bomb for the finale).
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Post by wakemeup on Jul 11, 2014 19:20:34 GMT
Luke? He's alright, but I have one problem with him. The same problem I have with many other season 2 characters. I just don't care about him enough. I'd like to, because he's not a bad guy and I want to care about at least one major character. But I can't force myself to. Honestly, I wouldn't be too upset if he died. I hope he'll get developed more in episode 4, instead of Kenny getting so much screen time again.
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