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Post by sos on Sept 7, 2015 20:10:52 GMT
So. So, so, so. Handsome Jack has at least some morality and humanity, can we all agree on that? I mean, even like .05% of those traits. Say Telltale actually goes a much different route than we think. As in, we don't defeat Jack all over again. Or, we control the outcome through how we interact with him as Rhys... how we treat him throughout the season. What if Rhys can somehow get through to Jack? What if Jack somehow, someway, sees the err of his ways? Instead of us taking him down again, he comes to the revelation of how bad he is, how he isn't the hero, how he's the villain and gives in to death. (I can't find a better way to phrase that. That phrasing sounds so ludicrous when talking about Handsome Jack.) Do you think this would somehow be accomplishable given what we know about Jack the person, not Handsome Jack the tyrant? Or would it be way too much a stretch no matter how it's done? Don't get me wrong. That'd be damn hard. Close to impossible. But I think it's a cool thought. Everyone thinks they know how the Jack storyline will end and then Telltale takes it in an unexplored, different direction. It'd be a really fresh ending as opposed to a "defeat Jack again" ending. (Obviously we're going to have to defeat Jack again and he won't succumb to his humanity, he's clearly too far gone. Just making conversation.) It's impossible, true. But, I kinda wish it could be an option. Yeah, I'm one of people who believe he used to be a decent person. I like to think he was genuine with Rhys in rulling Hyperion, if Rhys was good with him. After being betrayed so much, having his meat buddy, someone he can finally trust could help him, right? Not gonna happen, but yeah. Cool idea. I'm curious if him not knowing about Angel's death will be important in the finale. That will make Jack snap even more. Also, is anyone else not liking Lillith, especailly after The pre-sequel? Had there been more on Angel in episode 4, I think it'd be more possible to get through to Jack in episode 5. Since it's mostly a throwaway side scene, I doubt Angel will factor into episode 5 at all. That'd be a great dynamic though. You gotta think that eventually Jack needs to learn what happened since Nakayama created holo-him. Either the rage would come flying back (very likely) or somehow we could get through to Jack that Angel died because of him. To me, that'd be a much fresher take than off the handle fury Jack, which we've seen countless times. Not to say I'm not going to love it when that inevitably happens again though. And I think Lillith is incredibly hot. Aside from that, I don't like her one bit. |
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Post by wakemeup on Sept 7, 2015 21:09:00 GMT
It's impossible, true. But, I kinda wish it could be an option. Yeah, I'm one of people who believe he used to be a decent person. I like to think he was genuine with Rhys in rulling Hyperion, if Rhys was good with him. After being betrayed so much, having his meat buddy, someone he can finally trust could help him, right? Not gonna happen, but yeah. Cool idea. I'm curious if him not knowing about Angel's death will be important in the finale. That will make Jack snap even more. Also, is anyone else not liking Lillith, especailly after The pre-sequel? Had there been more on Angel in episode 4, I think it'd be more possible to get through to Jack in episode 5. Since it's mostly a throwaway side scene, I doubt Angel will factor into episode 5 at all. That'd be a great dynamic though. You gotta think that eventually Jack needs to learn what happened since Nakayama created holo-him. Either the rage would come flying back (very likely) or somehow we could get through to Jack that Angel died because of him. To me, that'd be a much fresher take than off the handle fury Jack, which we've seen countless times. Not to say I'm not going to love it when that inevitably happens again though. And I think Lillith is incredibly hot. Aside from that, I don't like her one bit. Yeah, I was thinking about coming through Jack with Angel's death, but I can't really see that happening. Either way, I'm hoping it's more than just a throaway line. You described my thoughts on Lilith perfectly. |
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Post by sos on Oct 21, 2015 21:57:31 GMT
 Is it bad to imprison your daughter and make her do your bidding? Sure. Is it less so after she kills her mother and can't control her powers therefore putting others around her in danger? I think so. #MISUNDERSTOODJACK |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 23:46:09 GMT
I really like Jack... When I get around to buying this game, and supporting this sort of work, I'm gonna keep him around. That crush is just too brutal... |
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Post by thatstoo2019man on Oct 22, 2015 0:00:03 GMT
Handsome Jack isn't handsome
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Post by Autobot Sonic on Oct 22, 2015 2:18:43 GMT
Here's the thing. Mind you I never finished Pre-Sequel so I have no idea what happens there. In Borderlands 2, I found him to be a hilarious villain that I didn't really take that seriously. Once he killed Roland though I was deadset on taking him down. Fast forward to Tales when I see him again in Ep. 2. I was still untrustworthy towards him and always sided against him every chance I took. This started to change though once I got Vaughn paralyzed in Ep. 3. I decided to tentatively work with Jack in case if anything bad ever happened again. By Ep. 4 though Jack had actually managed to win me over, so much in fact that I decided to forgive him and take over Hyperion. But then Ep. 5 came along... And made me realize once again what a piece of shit Jack is. In the end he will always be a psychopath who mainpulates others to his advantage. Once I defeated him at the end of Rhys story though, somehow I still felt bad for him a bit. When I was deciding whether or not to finally kill him, I was contemplating keeping him around, but after remembering all the times he had screwed people over, I decided to end him once and for all.
So in conclusion, Jack's an asshole, but a really clever asshole. |
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Post by sos on Oct 22, 2015 2:41:39 GMT
I really like Jack... When I get around to buying this game, and supporting this sort of work, I'm gonna keep him around. That crush is just too brutal... I thought keeping the Echo eye around kept Jack imprisoned in the nothingness of being data. Wouldn't that be what he's referring to? He only remembers up to the point of when Nakayama created him. I don't think he's referring to death when he explains the nothingness since that version of him technically hasn't experienced that or remembers it. I don't think crushing the eye means that Jack moves on to some sort of afterlife since that form of him was just a bunch of 1's and 0's, but it does wipe it completely from existence so that he wouldn't have to exist in some vacuum. |
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Oct 22, 2015 4:20:27 GMT
Well, I loved his character, one of the greatest villains in gaming history, but HE NEEDED TO FUCKING DIE! No regrets.
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Post by wakemeup on Oct 22, 2015 21:53:54 GMT
Seriously, episode 5 deserves a 10, because of Jack's final scene alone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2015 23:24:23 GMT
I really like Jack... When I get around to buying this game, and supporting this sort of work, I'm gonna keep him around. That crush is just too brutal... I thought keeping the Echo eye around kept Jack imprisoned in the nothingness of being data. Wouldn't that be what he's referring to? He only remembers up to the point of when Nakayama created him. I don't think he's referring to death when he explains the nothingness since that version of him technically hasn't experienced that or remembers it. I don't think crushing the eye means that Jack moves on to some sort of afterlife since that form of him was just a bunch of 1's and 0's, but it does wipe it completely from existence so that he wouldn't have to exist in some vacuum. No. Even when he's not visible, he's very clearly around. He was talking about how he'd "Disappear" for years, and wait until Rhys was getting laid, or taking a shit. He's very clearly aware when he's inside the eye. Granted, he was not the Jack that died, but I don't think that this Handsome Jack ever realized that he was a copy. He still felt he was the heart and soul of Handsome Jack, not an intense computer program. He felt that if he didn't feel death as the program, then it didn't exist. Besides, what I would want Rhys to do with Handsome Jack is to plug him into a laptop, and keep him around. That's what I was thinking of when I encountered that choice.
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