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Post by Rock114 on Sept 7, 2015 20:31:15 GMT
Just watched the second Episode and it was a lot better than the pilot. I still don't like Nick or that daughter, but Travis and his girlfriend (Madison's her name, right?) have grown on me a lot more. Seeing the whole collapse is, like stated earlier, pretty cool, and I'm glad I stuck it out. Looking forward to the next Episode, hopefully we can see Travis kick some ass. He's probably my favorite character at this point, even though that isn't saying particularly much.
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Post by Autobot Sonic on Sept 7, 2015 22:03:35 GMT
Has anything even happened that's spoiler-worthy yet? Not REALLY, but it's implied that Alison's boyfriend died.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 0:28:25 GMT
Just watched the second Episode and it was a lot better than the pilot. I still don't like Nick or that daughter, but Travis and his girlfriend (Madison's her name, right?) have grown on me a lot more. Seeing the whole collapse is, like stated earlier, pretty cool, and I'm glad I stuck it out. Looking forward to the next Episode, hopefully we can see Travis kick some ass. He's probably my favorite character at this point, even though that isn't saying particularly much. Y u gotta hate on Nick?
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Post by Rock114 on Sept 8, 2015 0:36:06 GMT
Just watched the second Episode and it was a lot better than the pilot. I still don't like Nick or that daughter, but Travis and his girlfriend (Madison's her name, right?) have grown on me a lot more. Seeing the whole collapse is, like stated earlier, pretty cool, and I'm glad I stuck it out. Looking forward to the next Episode, hopefully we can see Travis kick some ass. He's probably my favorite character at this point, even though that isn't saying particularly much. Y u gotta hate on Nick? Because he's a fucking ungrateful junkie piece of shit that would be a hell of a lot better to his family dead and gone so they don't have to worry about working him through his goddamn withdrawal in the middle of the zombie apocalypse. Should've gone to rehab you goddamn moron. That said, I'm open to the possibility of him getting better. But as of right now he can just go find the biggest bag of dicks in LA and individually suck each and every one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 1:25:50 GMT
Because he's a fucking ungrateful junkie piece of shit that would be a hell of a lot better to his family dead and gone so they don't have to worry about working him through his goddamn withdrawal in the middle of the zombie apocalypse. Should've gone to rehab you goddamn moron. That said, I'm open to the possibility of him getting better. But as of right now he can just go find the biggest bag of dicks in LA and individually suck each and every one of them. I just gotta say, that is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard. Should've gone to rehab? You realize that rehab is shit, right? Only the most dedicated people on the planet can last through rehab. 12 step programs are ACTUALLY worthless, and more expensive rehabs are largely ineffective scams. Remember when Nick said he meant every promise he made? That actually means something. These people don't always break promises because they're shitty people, or because they're ungrateful for what they've been given. Most of the time, it's because they're suffering. Imagine the worst pain you've ever felt. Imagine the most ill that you've ever felt. Put those together, and crank it up a notch. That's what withdrawal is like. It's neverending sickness and pain. Lasting through even a few days of it would be torture, but withdrawal OFTEN goes on for months at a time. Now do you see yourself doing that, even when there's a PERFECT solution to your problem? And if you're a junkie, you know how to get to that solution with the greatest of ease. You could walk for 5 minutes and spot someone who is supplying your medicine, your perfect escape. Calling Nick an ungrateful piece of shit who deserves to be dead is quite possibly the worst thing that I've ever heard you say. That said, junkies can be bad people. And considering my run ins with junkies over the years, I can tell you that Nick seems to be on the up and up. He seems to be an amazing person.
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Post by Rock114 on Sept 8, 2015 1:57:30 GMT
Because he's a fucking ungrateful junkie piece of shit that would be a hell of a lot better to his family dead and gone so they don't have to worry about working him through his goddamn withdrawal in the middle of the zombie apocalypse. Should've gone to rehab you goddamn moron. That said, I'm open to the possibility of him getting better. But as of right now he can just go find the biggest bag of dicks in LA and individually suck each and every one of them. I just gotta say, that is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard. Should've gone to rehab? You realize that rehab is shit, right? Only the most dedicated people on the planet can last through rehab. 12 step programs are ACTUALLY worthless, and more expensive rehabs are largely ineffective scams. Remember when Nick said he meant every promise he made? That actually means something. These people don't always break promises because they're shitty people, or because they're ungrateful for what they've been given. Most of the time, it's because they're suffering. Imagine the worst pain you've ever felt. Imagine the most ill that you've ever felt. Put those together, and crank it up a notch. That's what withdrawal is like. It's neverending sickness and pain. Lasting through even a few days of it would be torture, but withdrawal OFTEN goes on for months at a time. Now do you see yourself doing that, even when there's a PERFECT solution to your problem? And if you're a junkie, you know how to get to that solution with the greatest of ease. You could walk for 5 minutes and spot someone who is supplying your medicine, your perfect escape. Calling Nick an ungrateful piece of shit who deserves to be dead is quite possibly the worst thing that I've ever heard you say. That said, junkies can be bad people. And considering my run ins with junkies over the years, I can tell you that Nick seems to be on the up and up. He seems to be an amazing person. Sorry, I don't believe that Nick is "An amazing person" because when he said he meant every promise he made, his voice was just filled with sarcasm and smugness. He didn't mean any of it. And he's the one who got himself into this situation in the first place by getting himself hooked. He made the choice to use and it ended up getting him addicted. He got himself into this. That's on him, and because of that I can't really bring myself to care for him very much. But I'll admit you were right that I went too far when I said he'd be better off dead. And you were also right when I said I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about when it comes to rehab. I didn't know any of that stuff, like it being worthless and expensive to the point of being a scam. I apologize. I guess I was just talking out of my ass.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 2:03:07 GMT
I want to say at this point:
Favorite Character = Nick
Least Favorite Character = Madison or Tobias a.k.a The Amazing Walking Plot Device
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Post by Autobot Sonic on Sept 8, 2015 2:23:01 GMT
Because he's a fucking ungrateful junkie piece of shit that would be a hell of a lot better to his family dead and gone so they don't have to worry about working him through his goddamn withdrawal in the middle of the zombie apocalypse. Should've gone to rehab you goddamn moron. That said, I'm open to the possibility of him getting better. But as of right now he can just go find the biggest bag of dicks in LA and individually suck each and every one of them. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Post by Rock114 on Sept 8, 2015 2:28:03 GMT
Because he's a fucking ungrateful junkie piece of shit that would be a hell of a lot better to his family dead and gone so they don't have to worry about working him through his goddamn withdrawal in the middle of the zombie apocalypse. Should've gone to rehab you goddamn moron. That said, I'm open to the possibility of him getting better. But as of right now he can just go find the biggest bag of dicks in LA and individually suck each and every one of them. Couldn't have said it better myself. As stated in my last post though, Harp had a point when he said I took it too far with both wishing he were dead and thinking rehab was likely to fix him. I still don't like Nick very much, mind you, but I'm gonna try to cut him some slack in the future. Some.
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Post by Autobot Sonic on Sept 8, 2015 2:29:28 GMT
Couldn't have said it better myself. As stated in my last post though, Harp had a point when he said I took it too far with both wishing he were dead and thinking rehab was likely to fix him. I still don't like Nick very much, mind you, but I'm gonna try to cut him some slack in the future. Some. Same. He's a complete asshole right now, but hopefully he'll sort himself out.
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Post by sos on Sept 8, 2015 2:39:58 GMT
Is he even going through withdrawal right now? He was really bad for like 5 seconds, puked, then looked like me when I'm watching TV at 4 AM for the rest of the episode. Didn't exactly look like his crash was high maintenance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 3:11:24 GMT
Is he even going through withdrawal right now? He was really bad for like 5 seconds, puked, then looked like me when I'm watching TV at 4 AM for the rest of the episode. Didn't exactly look like his crash was high maintenance. That's just TV being TV. If Nick was actually going through withdrawal, the show would get even slower pretty quick.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 4:29:30 GMT
I just gotta say, that is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard. Should've gone to rehab? You realize that rehab is shit, right? Only the most dedicated people on the planet can last through rehab. 12 step programs are ACTUALLY worthless, and more expensive rehabs are largely ineffective scams. Remember when Nick said he meant every promise he made? That actually means something. These people don't always break promises because they're shitty people, or because they're ungrateful for what they've been given. Most of the time, it's because they're suffering. Imagine the worst pain you've ever felt. Imagine the most ill that you've ever felt. Put those together, and crank it up a notch. That's what withdrawal is like. It's neverending sickness and pain. Lasting through even a few days of it would be torture, but withdrawal OFTEN goes on for months at a time. Now do you see yourself doing that, even when there's a PERFECT solution to your problem? And if you're a junkie, you know how to get to that solution with the greatest of ease. You could walk for 5 minutes and spot someone who is supplying your medicine, your perfect escape. Calling Nick an ungrateful piece of shit who deserves to be dead is quite possibly the worst thing that I've ever heard you say. That said, junkies can be bad people. And considering my run ins with junkies over the years, I can tell you that Nick seems to be on the up and up. He seems to be an amazing person. Sorry, I don't believe that Nick is "An amazing person" because when he said he meant every promise he made, his voice was just filled with sarcasm and smugness. He didn't mean any of it. And he's the one who got himself into this situation in the first place by getting himself hooked. He made the choice to use and it ended up getting him addicted. He got himself into this. That's on him, and because of that I can't really bring myself to care for him very much. But I'll admit you were right that I went too far when I said he'd be better off dead. And you were also right when I said I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about when it comes to rehab. I didn't know any of that stuff, like it being worthless and expensive to the point of being a scam. I apologize. I guess I was just talking out of my ass. I wouldn't call his voice "filled" with sarcasm and smugness, but when nobody believes you, and you really genuinely try, I wouldn't hold it against a person to be bitter. Also, "getting yourself hooked" is another shitty way to judge someone. Everyone's life takes different paths, man. Whether it was social pressure, frustration with authority, or whatever else that made Nick do it, unless he said, "I know this will fuck me up, and by relation, my family too, but FUCK everyone else! I want to do this!" Nick's not a shitty person JUST for being a junkie. Junkies aren't evil people, Rock. Addiction almost always sprouts from either extreme insecurity, or mental illness. It seems wrong to judge someone on that basis alone. Granted, Nick DID seem like a little punk in the hospital, but that sort of attitude doesn't generally sprout out of nowhere. That attitude comes from conflict with authority. Not to mention, as soon as the police were gone, and Nick started to calm down, he confided in Travis, asking for help, and showing real human emotions, thus PROVING that it was only the cops who brought out the punk in him. Every other interaction he's had with his family since the hospital has been nothing but loving, and regretful. I don't think you went too far when you said he'd be doing his family a favor by dying. Shit, just about anyone who isn't a parent would do their family a favor by dying. No, you went too far when you called him a junkie piece of shit. When you implied that his substance abuse in any way MAKES him a bad person. Substance abuse can be a symptom of being a bad person, but it can also be a symptom of so much more. To make that connection, would be the same as assuming that someone gaining an abnormal amount of weight has to be depressed. It's just stupid.
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Post by sos on Sept 8, 2015 4:33:02 GMT
Maybe the guy that plays Nick is just a shitty actor and he's trying to appear sincere, but isn't coming across as so.
I mean, the guy is most famous for playing Lord Voldemort as a teenager in Half-Blood Prince sooo it's not crazy to think that.
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Post by Rock114 on Sept 8, 2015 12:53:21 GMT
Sorry, I don't believe that Nick is "An amazing person" because when he said he meant every promise he made, his voice was just filled with sarcasm and smugness. He didn't mean any of it. And he's the one who got himself into this situation in the first place by getting himself hooked. He made the choice to use and it ended up getting him addicted. He got himself into this. That's on him, and because of that I can't really bring myself to care for him very much. But I'll admit you were right that I went too far when I said he'd be better off dead. And you were also right when I said I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about when it comes to rehab. I didn't know any of that stuff, like it being worthless and expensive to the point of being a scam. I apologize. I guess I was just talking out of my ass. I wouldn't call his voice "filled" with sarcasm and smugness, but when nobody believes you, and you really genuinely try, I wouldn't hold it against a person to be bitter. Also, "getting yourself hooked" is another shitty way to judge someone. Everyone's life takes different paths, man. Whether it was social pressure, frustration with authority, or whatever else that made Nick do it, unless he said, "I know this will fuck me up, and by relation, my family too, but FUCK everyone else! I want to do this!" Nick's not a shitty person JUST for being a junkie. Junkies aren't evil people, Rock. Addiction almost always sprouts from either extreme insecurity, or mental illness. It seems wrong to judge someone on that basis alone. Granted, Nick DID seem like a little punk in the hospital, but that sort of attitude doesn't generally sprout out of nowhere. That attitude comes from conflict with authority. Not to mention, as soon as the police were gone, and Nick started to calm down, he confided in Travis, asking for help, and showing real human emotions, thus PROVING that it was only the cops who brought out the punk in him. Every other interaction he's had with his family since the hospital has been nothing but loving, and regretful. I don't think you went too far when you said he'd be doing his family a favor by dying. Shit, just about anyone who isn't a parent would do their family a favor by dying. No, you went too far when you called him a junkie piece of shit. When you implied that his substance abuse in any way MAKES him a bad person. Substance abuse can be a symptom of being a bad person, but it can also be a symptom of so much more. To make that connection, would be the same as assuming that someone gaining an abnormal amount of weight has to be depressed. It's just stupid. Social pressure and being frustrated with authority are not good reasons to start shooting heroin, Harp. I don't care if his friends pressured him into doing it, or he decided to be a rebel because "Down with the system" or whatever, drug abuse is really really really dumb. Unless he was held down and forced at gunpoint to start using, then he made the conscious choice to inject himself with a substance that he almost certainly had to have known would be bad for him and the people he cared about. At best he's incredibly stupid/ignorant, at worst he really did say "Fuck everyone else, I want to do this." Your previous post convinced me to lean more toward being ignorant instead of being a straight up asshole but the choice to begin using an addictive substance was just that, a choice, one that he made and is now suffering for. Nobody has to start doing drugs, no matter where their life takes them. Unless it's stated that somehow it really wasn't his choice to start using then it's on him, and I can't really feel sorry for him. I'll admit that he is shown to be getting better so far so I'm willing to reverse my current opinion of "Fuck Nick" if this good streak for him continues, but as of right now I can't really bring myself to like him. From what we know so far his addiction is his own fault.
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