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Post by o0HeaDShoT0o on Nov 1, 2017 1:53:29 GMT
I'm feeling optimistic. I honestly believe that Part II is gonna be good.
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Post by sos on Nov 1, 2017 1:58:45 GMT
I'm like the only one here not at all concerned about TLOU 2, aren't I? Huh Really, I'm most scared of two things: Joel being thrown on the back-burner. I don't care if The Last of Us was his story and it was completed. It's like Clementine. You can't bring him back and half ass it. He's either heavily involved again or not at all. No dick teasing. Ellie. I love the fuck out of Ellie. But it's also pretty easy to love a kid. (Phrasing.) She still had all that innocence and positivity. 19-year old Ellie scares me. I'm worried that she's just going to be this raging teenage cunt.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Nov 1, 2017 13:35:24 GMT
Okay I have never heard that line before and I utterly hate it. Not everything is political, art is subjective, nothing is everything or even anything. Christ, Amy please come back! I liked you more. All art reflects the views of their creator, therefore all art is political, because there's no such thing as a person without political viewpoints. If you try to create a work of art, at least, a storytelling form of art, without any political viewpoint, that still reflects a political viewpoint - it says that that artist sees nothing wrong one way or the other with the status quo, which is a political viewpoint. There's basically no way for an artist to separate their views from their art, because there's a bit of every artist in their art, and one's political views are a part of them. For a better explanation of this, especially as it applies to games and (ugh) "gaming culture", watch this: Yes there is, hence the word apolitical. Not everything is, Christ I didn't have much in a way of a political opinion before 2016. Some people just have no interest in it or couldn't be bothered. Or they intentionally go out of the way to avoid that. Your gonna argue that every animated film since 1926 is in some way political in nature? I can't agree. Not everything boils down to politics, at least I believe so. And I'll stand by what I said, I don't care much for Drunkmann in the same vain as to you not caring for Ken Levine. I much prefer Amy Hennig and it pains me so much to see EA fucking her over, such wasted talent. At least she isn't a kiss ass for a certain Anita someone, yeah that's always been a slight hand up on me. Yes I liked TLOU and Uncharted 4 but really, he's only wrote two games, there is always room to fuck up. And don't put "gamer culture" in negative quotations. Sure it has assholes, but every culture has. I've seen the best of the best and the worst of the worst, and frankly, and this may seem crazy. The good outweights the bad.
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Post by jake frost on Nov 2, 2017 19:47:32 GMT
Ok so Muscles seems pretty cool... the cult angle is a bit overplayed and hokey, but I can live with it if they do it well. They did cannibals pretty well, after all. Don't care for Lev and Yara.
It's just the fact that we don't seem to have any valuable blokes in this game aside from Joel, who seems to be pushed aside, that irks me a little. Fighting fire with fire in terms of 'equality' is never going to work.
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Post by sos on Nov 2, 2017 21:03:45 GMT
Hot take: Joel is the sacrificial lamb in response to the "straight, white male are being attacked" groups.
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Post by Zeruis on Nov 2, 2017 23:39:57 GMT
Bruce Straley's departure from ND marks my ambivalence for TLOU2. No way am I buying anything based on Druckmann's principles alone.
We're probably going to get an entire game playing as Ellie only to find out Joel has been dead the entire time, appearing before her as a figment of her imagination. And it's still going to win GOTY whenever it comes out because everyone these days love "YAASS QUEEN SLAAAY" badass female characters. Because fuck writing female characters any other way, am I right?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 0:05:23 GMT
Ok so Muscles seems pretty cool... the cult angle is a bit overplayed and hokey, but I can live with it if they do it well. They did cannibals pretty well, after all. Don't care for Lev and Yara. It's just the fact that we don't seem to have any valuable blokes in this game aside from Joel, who seems to be pushed aside, that irks me a little. Fighting fire with fire in terms of 'equality' is never going to work. I mean, Druckman seems less concerned with equality than he is with representation. I'm not gonna frame this as a fact or anything bc that'd probably lead to a big long debate that I don't care to have, but imo a lack of male characters probably won't be an issue.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 0:15:15 GMT
All art reflects the views of their creator, therefore all art is political, because there's no such thing as a person without political viewpoints. If you try to create a work of art, at least, a storytelling form of art, without any political viewpoint, that still reflects a political viewpoint - it says that that artist sees nothing wrong one way or the other with the status quo, which is a political viewpoint. There's basically no way for an artist to separate their views from their art, because there's a bit of every artist in their art, and one's political views are a part of them. For a better explanation of this, especially as it applies to games and (ugh) "gaming culture", watch this: Yes there is, hence the word apolitical. Not everything is, Christ I didn't have much in a way of a political opinion before 2016. Some people just have no interest in it or couldn't be bothered. Or they intentionally go out of the way to avoid that. Your gonna argue that every animated film since 1926 is in some way political in nature? I can't agree. Not everything boils down to politics, at least I believe so. And I'll stand by what I said, I don't care much for Drunkmann in the same vain as to you not caring for Ken Levine. I much prefer Amy Hennig and it pains me so much to see EA fucking her over, such wasted talent. At least she isn't a kiss ass for a certain Anita someone, yeah that's always been a slight hand up on me. Yes I liked TLOU and Uncharted 4 but really, he's only wrote two games, there is always room to fuck up. And don't put "gamer culture" in negative quotations. Sure it has assholes, but every culture has. I've seen the best of the best and the worst of the worst, and frankly, and this may seem crazy. The good outweights the bad. A word existing doesn't mean it applies to everything?? Yeah, some things are apolitical. Art is not. And btw not being aware of a political opinion is not the same as not having it. If you can exist in society without any strong political opinions, then that implies you support or are at least not bothered by the status quo, which is a political position. And sure I'll argue that all animated films since 1926 is political in nature... that's... weirdly specific, but sure. Because it's art. So, it's political, because all art reflects the artist and all artists have either implicit or explicit political positions/opinions. So, okay, take for example the depiction of Snow White in the Disney film. She's basically in line with the gender roles of the time, and since the film doesn't comment on that, it's implied the film supports that, and by presenting it as normal, it presents gender roles of the time as normal. That's political. The film didn't explicitly say anything, but it still made an implicit political statement. Do you see what I'm getting at? (I don't understand your dislike of Anita Sarkessian? Like, maybe examine if you know any of her positions first hand or if you just dislike her because of what you belive to be true of her. And if you are familiar with her positions first hand and disagree, why? Until then, no offense, I'm probably going to ignore your comments about Sarkessian. For the record, I'm not a fan of her, I think she's got a tendency to state the obvious and react to implicit politics as if they're explicit politics, but she's... fine?) I wasn't using the quotes negatively, rather, I think the whole idea of "gamer culture" is... kinda dumb. Like, who defines themselves by the medium of entertainment they enjoy? It's just weird. But hey, since you brought it up, you don't really see large numbers of cinephiles launching harassment campaigns against women, do you? If you seriously think the good of "gamer culture" outweighs the bad then I'm sorry to tell you that you're woefully out of touch with the impact of "gamer culture" on culture and people as a whole. Not meaning that as an insult, but... just kinda a statement of fact I guess.
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Post by jake frost on Nov 3, 2017 0:15:43 GMT
Ok so Muscles seems pretty cool... the cult angle is a bit overplayed and hokey, but I can live with it if they do it well. They did cannibals pretty well, after all. Don't care for Lev and Yara. It's just the fact that we don't seem to have any valuable blokes in this game aside from Joel, who seems to be pushed aside, that irks me a little. Fighting fire with fire in terms of 'equality' is never going to work. I mean, Druckman seems less concerned with equality than he is with representation. I'm not gonna frame this as a fact or anything bc that'd probably lead to a big long debate that I don't care to have, but imo a lack of male characters probably won't be an issue. It makes me wonder if pushing representation but having a lack of representation of male characters is trying to be really petty and saying "now YOU know how it FEELS" and that's what I mean by "fighting fire with fire"; it only serves to intensify an argument rather than resolve it. Ideally everyone would be represented. But yeah, it's a can of worms and it'd wind up being a debate that I don't think will ever be agreed upon due to completely different viewpoints and outlooks, so I'll agree to disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 0:20:09 GMT
I mean, Druckman seems less concerned with equality than he is with representation. I'm not gonna frame this as a fact or anything bc that'd probably lead to a big long debate that I don't care to have, but imo a lack of male characters probably won't be an issue. It makes me wonder if pushing representation but having a lack of representation of male characters is trying to be really petty and saying "now YOU know how it FEELS" and that's what I mean by "fighting fire with fire"; it only serves to intensify an argument rather than resolve it. Ideally everyone would be represented. But yeah, it's a can of worms and it'd wind up being a debate that I don't think will ever be agreed upon due to completely different viewpoints and outlooks, so I'll agree to disagree. Well, I think it's less petty, and more just, men are already so overly represented in media that they can stand to have a couple games/movies/tv/whatever that doesn't star men. Like, on the whole, if TLOU2 comes out and Joel is the only prominent male character, it isn't gonna radically shift the balance of representation in media. Also, I don't think that'll even happen, we'll probably see Tommy and maybe some other male characters. So, I think TLOU is probably fine. As for the overall issue, yeah, agree to disagree.
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Post by jake frost on Nov 3, 2017 0:35:05 GMT
Well, I think it's less petty, and more just, men are already so overly represented in media that they can stand to have a couple games/movies/tv/whatever that doesn't star men. As horrendously fucking selfish as it is, I just wish it didn't have to be TLOU that got that treatment. Terrible thing to say, I know... but the first game is something I was invested heavily in, and if things go the way I'm dreading in Pt2 it'll just feel like a massive middle finger. But yeah, Tommy is a thing I keep not taking into account. Hopefully he'll stick around if Joel isn't completely sidelined. Really need to see more of this game before making a call, though. Here's hoping PSX gives us something.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 0:37:23 GMT
Well, I think it's less petty, and more just, men are already so overly represented in media that they can stand to have a couple games/movies/tv/whatever that doesn't star men. As horrendously fucking selfish as it is, I just wish it didn't have to be TLOU that got that treatment. Terrible thing to say, I know... but the first game is something I was invested heavily in, and if things go the way I'm dreading in Pt2 it'll just feel like a massive middle finger. But yeah, Tommy is a thing I keep not taking into account. Hopefully he'll stick around if Joel isn't completely sidelined. Really need to see more of this game before making a call, though. Here's hoping PSX gives us something. Yeah, I definitely get that. It feels like it's gonna be a huge step away from TLOU in a lot of ways. But I don't know, it might end up being a good thing. At least, that's what I'm hoping, that a big change will be a good thing. And yeah, I'm hoping for a gameplay trailer or something at PSX.
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Post by jake frost on Dec 10, 2017 10:55:11 GMT
"People that liked the first game may not like the second"
Wow way to alienate your fanbase ND
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 13:18:00 GMT
"People that liked the first game may not like the second" Wow way to alienate your fanbase ND context?
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Post by o0HeaDShoT0o on Dec 10, 2017 16:08:50 GMT
"People that liked the first game may not like the second" I'd find that hard to believe.
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