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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2014 22:14:51 GMT
I really do not like Season 2. I've just been so dramatic about the choices, and the lack of impact. And the ridiculously short episodes. The story has been getting weaker for my tastes, and the characters are just undeveloped.
I'm disappointed. TWAU, is a different story. I love it, and I am gonna be sad when it's over.
As for Season 2, I still will play them, but honestly... I'm hoping it can improve my interests because I'm losing my hope in S2
Anyone else?
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Post by Rock114 on Jun 28, 2014 22:18:33 GMT
Despite my defense of Episodes 2 and 3, I recently played through Season 2 again and actually found that I feel similar. It just doesn't have the same impact that Season 1 had. It's less interesting, the characters aren't as fleshed out, and the one that is (Nick) is more or less killed off by the end of Episode 2 due to his determinant status. I can't even say that I believe they're trying their best anymore. In comparison to Season 1, Season 2 just can't compare.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2014 22:30:12 GMT
I feel like it's good, but not good enough. I still love the game and I love waiting for it to come out, but overall I feel that Telltale should have finished TWAU, then started TWDS2, then started borderlands.
Using their flagship title on a new (failed) business model was a poor idea to begin with.
I maintain the hope that if they learn from their mistake of making TWD2 and TWAU at the same time, then a third season would be better than Season 2.
And to be honest, TWAU isn't too much better. Just look at Episode 2 and Episode 4; they're not all that good.
TWAU and TWD2 are both victims of each other.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2014 22:30:42 GMT
Up until recently I'd have gotten mad and told you to shut up... but I agree. Because I've been thinking about it too, and I feel the same way.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Jun 28, 2014 22:40:20 GMT
I feel like it's good, but not good enough. I still love the game and I love waiting for it to come out, but overall I feel that Telltale should have finished TWAU, then started TWDS2, then started borderlands. Using their flagship title on a new (failed) business model was a poor idea to begin with. I maintain the hope that if they learn from their mistake of making TWD2 and TWAU at the same time, then a third season would be better than Season 2. And to be honest, TWAU isn't too much better. Just look at Episode 2 and Episode 4; they're not all that good. TWAU and TWD2 are both victims of each other. I have to agree, they say there are two teams working on it, but we all know they are causing problems. I for one still like season 2 a lot, but I do feel its not better then season 1, part of me says sometimes its on par, other times, not really, but it does have its advantages like Carver, even if it was just two episodes, but to this day, the fact Jake and Sean left I feel is a major reason its not better, then again, its not over yet, so we are being a bit to fast on the whole 'the season sucks' lets just wait until episode 4, then we can likely get a good idea of the endgame, and then by the end, we got all the info we need for a final judgement.
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Post by wakemeup on Jun 28, 2014 22:48:40 GMT
Yeah, I'm disapointed in season 2. Episodes are too short, but I could live with it, if everyrthing else would be fine. But it's not. The dialogue almost never changes, depending on your past dialogue options. "They will remember that" doesn't matter at all. The choices in S1 didn't matter that much, but they are even less important in S2.
And the characters. I don't feel attached to most of them. The only 2 characters introduced in season 2 that I really cared about(Pete and Nick), were killed off in the first two episodes. Nick is technically alive, but you know what I mean. I really like Mike too, but I'm pretty sure he will die very soon. 400 days DLC didn't matter so far, except Bonnie having a large role in the game. But none of the DLC choices had any impact in season 2.
It's a shame that season 2 didn't live up to the expectations. I never expected it to be better than the first one, but I expected it to be really good.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Jun 28, 2014 22:52:44 GMT
Yeah, I'm disapointed in season 2. Episodes are too short, but I could live with it, if everyrthing else would be fine. But it's not. The dialogue almost never changes, depending on your past dialogue options. "They will remember that" doesn't matter at all. The choices in S1 didn't matter that much, but they are even less important in S2. And the characters. I don't feel attached to most of them. The only 2 characters introduced in season 2 that I really cared about(Pete and Nick), were killed off in the first two episodes. Nick is technically alive, but you know what I mean. I really like Mike too, but I'm pretty sure he will die very soon. 400 days DLC didn't matter so far, except Bonnie having a large role in the game. But none of the DLC choices had any impact in season 2. It's a shame that season 2 didn't live up to the expectations. I never expected it to be better than the first one, but I expected it to be really good. Again, maybe jumping the bags a bit to fast before the whistle is blown if you catch my drift.
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Post by Autobot Sonic on Jun 28, 2014 22:54:01 GMT
While The first two episodes Definitely did not live up to season 1's masterpieces, I think In Harms Way is more or less the same caliber. I will agree though that Season 2 is not as emotional as Season 1 was, but judging by this new episode, Telltale might be able to reel me back in.
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Post by sos on Jun 29, 2014 2:14:51 GMT
Season 1 was more fleshed out and grounded. Season 2 is putting a too heavy an emphasis on the "LOOK HOW MUCH CLEMENTINE HAS CHANGED" moments and the shocker moments. And that's not what season 1 was about at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2014 2:20:24 GMT
Season 1 was more fleshed out and grounded. Season 2 is putting a too heavy an emphasis on the "LOOK HOW MUCH CLEMENTINE HAS CHANGED" moments and the shocker moments. And that's not what season 1 was about at all. Definitely. That's why All That Remains was really hard to adjust to, not to mention that she doesn't really look like how she used to, either. Am I the only one with that problem? I can't see Season 1 Clementine at all, amid the facial structure change, voice change, skin tone change and facial detail changes. The only thing that's the same is the hair and the hat. Episode 1 is literally screaming "THIS IS DARK! LOOK HOW BLEAK IT IS! ALL IS LOST! CLEM IS BADASS NOW! LIKE THIS GAME BECAUSE IT'S DARK! LOOK WE KILLED OMID AND MADE CLEM SEW UP HER OWN ARM BECAUSE WE'RE EDGY LIKE THAT!"
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Post by sos on Jun 29, 2014 2:25:11 GMT
Honestly, I've always thought the season 2 Clem design was a bit off. Any time I see a side by side of season 1 Clem with season 2 Clem I always think how hard it is to believe it's the same person. And it has nothing to do with how she's changed as a person. The faces just don't quite match in a progressive manner to me...
But now it sounds like I'm getting nit-picky and shitting on season 2 just to shit on it. So, I'll stop.
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Post by thatstoomuchfestivity on Jun 29, 2014 2:25:10 GMT
Basically what everyone else is saying; the development of characters through the story immerses the player in the story. And we really haven't had too many instances of that thus far, save for maybe Sarah (Clem of course, as she's the main character, but like sos said, they're focusing too heavily on it). Nick's potential has unfortunately been flushed down the toilet, which just leaves a bunch of one dimensional characters that we STILL know nearly nothing about (aside from Kenny, but that's because he was in Season 1).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2014 2:31:13 GMT
Honestly, I've always thought the season 2 Clem design was a bit off. Any time I see a side by side of season 1 Clem with season 2 Clem I always think how hard it is to believe it's the same person. And it has nothing to do with how she's changed as a person. The faces just don't quite match in a progressive manner to me... She looks like she could be related to Clementine, but not Clementine. Clearly they made her skin tone darker in the new appearance because of confusion in the community about her ethnicity, but it made her look less like Clem which is kind of a mistake. Not to mention younger Clementine had two detail lines below her eyes and those just disappeared later. Maybe I should try editing the textures to make her look more like Season 1 Clementine or something.
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Post by thatstoomuchfestivity on Jun 29, 2014 2:35:15 GMT
Season 1 was more fleshed out and grounded. Season 2 is putting a too heavy an emphasis on the "LOOK HOW MUCH CLEMENTINE HAS CHANGED" moments and the shocker moments. And that's not what season 1 was about at all. Definitely. That's why All That Remains was really hard to adjust to, not to mention that she doesn't really look like how she used to, either. Am I the only one with that problem? I can't see Season 1 Clementine at all, amid the facial structure change, voice change, skin tone change and facial detail changes. The only thing that's the same is the hair and the hat. Episode 1 is literally screaming "THIS IS DARK! LOOK HOW BLEAK IT IS! ALL IS LOST! CLEM IS BADASS NOW! LIKE THIS GAME BECAUSE IT'S DARK! LOOK WE KILLED OMID AND MADE CLEM SEW UP HER OWN ARM BECAUSE WE'RE EDGY LIKE THAT!"As for the skin tone, that naturally darkens for most people as they age, so that's alright. As for her voice, she doesn't have to speak to fit any society's archetype of a "girly girl", so that along with that natural deepening just intensifies that. Now for the facial structure, the face has the same general mouth and nose, with slimming making that close enough. That leaves the eyes, which is where I think most of the change is. If you take a close look, her eyebags have magically disappeared despite the assumed lack of sleep and nutrition, which makes no sense, and the general shape has changed. That was probably made, as with everything else, to give her the "hardened steely survivor" look and rid the cute kid stigma.
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Post by Rock114 on Jun 29, 2014 2:38:48 GMT
While I do think the same about Clem's appearance not quite matching up, that's a bit too nitpicky for my tastes and it isn't what really bothers me. They just haven't made any effort to get us to connect with the new cast in the same way we connected with the Season 1 cast. Hell, if it weren't for Pete's resemblance to my father I wouldn't be the mindless fanboy you all know me to be when his name gets mentioned. They seem to be focusing less on characterization and more on drama.
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