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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 17:13:36 GMT
I think that Sarah is part of the reason Luke and Nick aren't with the group. If we find her and there's a determinant choice she won't live or die, she'll live and come with Clem or live and show up later with Luke. I guess that's possible, but then again - if that's the case - I'd rather have a choice to let her live or die, because I'm tired of Telltale providing us with a choice that doesn't matter in the end - like, let Sarah come with you or leave her alone - but she will show up anyway because Luke finds her or something. Still, I probably wouldn't kill/leave Sarah - mainly because of the fact that her character, albeit annoying at times, is actually well-developed by Telltale (not counting Nick).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 17:17:35 GMT
I think that Sarah is part of the reason Luke and Nick aren't with the group. If we find her and there's a determinant choice she won't live or die, she'll live and come with Clem or live and show up later with Luke. I'm tired of Telltale providing us with a choice that doesn't matter in the end It's a better alternative to having a choice that ends with the character either being dead, or forgotten by everyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 17:26:19 GMT
I'm tired of Telltale providing us with a choice that doesn't matter in the end It's a better alternative to having a choice that ends with the character either being dead, or forgotten by everyone else. Maybe, but if Sarah will be determinant, then it means that she will have limited appearances in her subsequent scenes (if she survives etc.) - Ben from S1 being the only exception. And I don't like this, because TT killed many compelling S2 characters in this way, like Pete or Nick (one throwaway dialogue scene in Ep3 isn't enough for me) while keeping one-dimmensional ones like Rebecca and Luke (sorry, I can't stand the guy) alive.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 17:34:33 GMT
It's a better alternative to having a choice that ends with the character either being dead, or forgotten by everyone else. Maybe, but if Sarah will be determinant, then it means that she will have limited appearances in her subsequent scenes (if she survives etc.) - Ben from S1 being the only exception. And I don't like this, because TT killed many compelling S2 characters in this way, like Pete or Nick (one throwaway dialogue scene in Ep3 isn't enough for me) while keeping one-dimmensional ones like Rebecca and Luke (sorry, I can't stand the guy) alive. That's what I'm saying, determinant status sucks because the characters are barely there if they survive. Maybe if you don't take Sarah with you or something then she's happier, and if she returns with Luke then she resents Clem for not helping her. That way she's alive, and the choice has an effect on her personality rather than her living or dying.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 17:42:17 GMT
Maybe, but if Sarah will be determinant, then it means that she will have limited appearances in her subsequent scenes (if she survives etc.) - Ben from S1 being the only exception. And I don't like this, because TT killed many compelling S2 characters in this way, like Pete or Nick (one throwaway dialogue scene in Ep3 isn't enough for me) while keeping one-dimmensional ones like Rebecca and Luke (sorry, I can't stand the guy) alive. That's what I'm saying, determinant status sucks because the characters are barely there if they survive. Maybe if you don't take Sarah with you or something then she's happier, and if she returns with Luke then she resents Clem for not helping her. That way she's alive, and the choice has an effect on her personality rather than her living or dying. OK, it sounds good the way you put it. And I just got an idea - what if the way Clem treats Sarah will determine whether Sarah helps us during some dangerous situation the finale? That's giving us a choice WITHOUT an actual choice - whether we wanted to be friends with her, took a picture/taught her to use a gun, helped her with her chores in the greenhouse and this unknown 'status' choice in Ep 4 will determine Sarah's decision in the finale.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 17:44:23 GMT
That's what I'm saying, determinant status sucks because the characters are barely there if they survive. Maybe if you don't take Sarah with you or something then she's happier, and if she returns with Luke then she resents Clem for not helping her. That way she's alive, and the choice has an effect on her personality rather than her living or dying. OK, it sounds good the way you put it. And I just got an idea - what if the way Clem treats Sarah will determine whether Sarah helps us during some dangerous situation the finale? That's giving us a choice WITHOUT an actual choice - whether we wanted to be friends with her, took a picture/taught her to use a gun, helped her with her chores in the greenhouse and this unknown 'status' choice in Ep 4 will determine Sarah's decision in the finale. It seems like there's been a choice for Sarah in every episode so far, so it must be building up to something: - become sarah's friend in episode 1 - take the blame for the photo in episode 2 - help sarah with her chores Oh shit. Sarah is Clementine's Kenny.
We're gonna get a bro-speech in episode 4.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 17:47:35 GMT
OK, it sounds good the way you put it. And I just got an idea - what if the way Clem treats Sarah will determine whether Sarah helps us during some dangerous situation the finale? That's giving us a choice WITHOUT an actual choice - whether we wanted to be friends with her, took a picture/taught her to use a gun, helped her with her chores in the greenhouse and this unknown 'status' choice in Ep 4 will determine Sarah's decision in the finale. It seems like there's been a choice for Sarah in every episode so far, so it must be building up to something: - become sarah's friend in episode 1 - take the blame for the photo in episode 2 - help sarah with her chores Oh shit. Sarah is Clementine's Kenny.
We're gonna get a bro-speech in episode 4.Shit... you're right. And what if we will have a scene with Sarah where she finally snaps after coming to terms with Carlos's death? I have a REALLY bad feeling about this...
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Post by sos on Jul 4, 2014 17:56:28 GMT
Here's a wild possibility: Sarah absolutely and completely snaps after Carlos' death. When we next run into her, she pulls a gun on us. One of those misleading decisions like how stealing Nick's watch turned out to be a positive. Teaching Sarah to shoot becomes a negative. If you taught her, she'll try to kill Clem and Bonnie takes the bullet and dies. If you didn't, she won't be able to. Bonnie lives. Hence, answering the question of how Bonnie could wind up determinant.
Yeah. I know what you're thinking. We do need less time between releases because that shit is ouuuuut there.
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Post by Michael7123 on Jul 4, 2014 17:57:35 GMT
OK, it sounds good the way you put it. And I just got an idea - what if the way Clem treats Sarah will determine whether Sarah helps us during some dangerous situation the finale? That's giving us a choice WITHOUT an actual choice - whether we wanted to be friends with her, took a picture/taught her to use a gun, helped her with her chores in the greenhouse and this unknown 'status' choice in Ep 4 will determine Sarah's decision in the finale. It seems like there's been a choice for Sarah in every episode so far, so it must be building up to something: - become sarah's friend in episode 1 - take the blame for the photo in episode 2 - help sarah with her chores Oh shit. Sarah is Clementine's Kenny.
We're gonna get a bro-speech in episode 4.I immediately regret teaching her how to use a gun. Don't get me wrong. I've been pretty good to Sarah. I befriended her, trusted her to use a gun, and even helped with her chores. But I didn't help her with her chores, and I told them the cabin group was just "fishing." Also, there are some comments in the game that Sarah makes that can be downright nasty. I'm worried.
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Post by Michael7123 on Jul 4, 2014 18:05:32 GMT
Here's a wild possibility: Sarah absolutely and completely snaps after Carlos' death. When we next run into her, she pulls a gun on us. One of those misleading decisions like how stealing Nick's watch turned out to be a positive. Teaching Sarah to shoot becomes a negative. If you taught her, she'll try to kill Clem and Bonnie takes the bullet and dies. If you didn't, she won't be able to. Bonnie lives. Hence, answering the question of how Bonnie could wind up determinant. Yeah. I know what you're thinking. We do need less time between releases because that shit is ouuuuut there. ... I don't think I could forgive her for that. Some of you might remember how many posts I made about how I personally relate to Luke? If anything, the more I think about her character, the more I relate to her. If she did that.... I don't know how I would react. I would be furious that I would have to rewind all my secondary play throughs to edit that choice. As for forgiveness... It would probably boil down to how they play out her death scene. Killing Bonnie or Luke might be the one thing she could do that would seriously make me consider leaving her behind.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 18:13:22 GMT
Here's a wild possibility: Sarah absolutely and completely snaps after Carlos' death. When we next run into her, she pulls a gun on us. One of those misleading decisions like how stealing Nick's watch turned out to be a positive. Teaching Sarah to shoot becomes a negative. If you taught her, she'll try to kill Clem and Bonnie takes the bullet and dies. If you didn't, she won't be able to. Bonnie lives. Hence, answering the question of how Bonnie could wind up determinant. Yeah. I know what you're thinking. We do need less time between releases because that shit is ouuuuut there. I don't think Sarah would attempt to kill anyone, she said it herself; something along the lines of "no matter how angry I am I never want to hurt anyone." If she did kill someone it'd probably be accidental, out of stress.
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Post by sos on Jul 4, 2014 18:32:28 GMT
Here's a wild possibility: Sarah absolutely and completely snaps after Carlos' death. When we next run into her, she pulls a gun on us. One of those misleading decisions like how stealing Nick's watch turned out to be a positive. Teaching Sarah to shoot becomes a negative. If you taught her, she'll try to kill Clem and Bonnie takes the bullet and dies. If you didn't, she won't be able to. Bonnie lives. Hence, answering the question of how Bonnie could wind up determinant. Yeah. I know what you're thinking. We do need less time between releases because that shit is ouuuuut there. I don't think Sarah would attempt to kill anyone, she said it herself; something along the lines of "no matter how angry I am I never want to hurt anyone." If she did kill someone it'd probably be accidental, out of stress. Wouldn't that be the beauty of it though? Telltale writes in a line like that to get us thinking one thing, then does something that says the exact opposite. I'm just spit-balling. From the second Carlos dropped that line about Sarah "ceasing to function" to the point where Carlos gets devoured in front her and she runs off, her mental state has been in question and has been cracking more and more. She's been rumored to have Asperger's or something like that... from what I can find on the Internet, there's no connection to that and violence, but what I'm wondering is if there is more proneness to out of control fits of rage and misplaced revenge after huge amounts of trauma. It's kind of a fascinating subject. But I could definitely see her killing someone accidentally out of stress and can admit that's way more likely.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 18:44:37 GMT
I don't think Sarah would attempt to kill anyone, she said it herself; something along the lines of "no matter how angry I am I never want to hurt anyone." If she did kill someone it'd probably be accidental, out of stress. Wouldn't that be the beauty of it though? Telltale writes in a line like that to get us thinking one thing, then does something that says the exact opposite. I'm just spit-balling. From the second Carlos dropped that line about Sarah "ceasing to function" to the point where Carlos gets devoured in front her and she runs off, her mental state has been in question and has been cracking more and more. She's been rumored to have Asperger's or something like that... from what I can find on the Internet, there's no connection to that and violence, but what I'm wondering is if there is more proneness to out of control fits of rage and misplaced revenge after huge amounts of trauma. It's kind of a fascinating subject. But I could definitely see her killing someone accidentally out of stress and can admit that's way more likely. I also taught her how to use a gun, but I am thinking about different consequences. What if she can't cope with Carlos's death and... you know, tries to commit suicide? We will probably prevent it no matter what, but the reaction of the group may differ depending on how she will try to kill herself (with gun - Clementine's fault; some other way -'We'll, we have to watch her').
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Post by MulderYuffie on Jul 5, 2014 3:33:01 GMT
I don't think Sarah will die either honestly I think she will live no matter what and what you do during your choices or your choice in episode 4 will decide how she reactions toward you for the rest of the game. It would be a waste building up all of this stuff with her since Episode 1 just to kill her off in the first 1/3 of Episode 4 when her character is JUST NOW starting to shine. I don't buy it not one bit.
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Post by Michael7123 on Jul 5, 2014 3:34:23 GMT
Just so you guys know, I've added a poll in the offical episode 4 discussion thread that talks about death predictions.
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