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Post by Rock114 on Jun 23, 2014 3:18:26 GMT
You can do it Bio.
We believe in you. Here's your montage music.
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Post by thatstoomuchfestivity on Jun 23, 2014 3:20:28 GMT
You can do it Bio. We believe in you. Here's your montage music. And here's my contribution.
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Post by thatstoomuchfestivity on Jun 23, 2014 9:28:12 GMT
Bio didn't even move it. Brotato did And no one's even continued after the posts were moved here...
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Jun 23, 2014 18:53:46 GMT
Well since this titanic argument is finally over, what do you say we all go hate on game we can all agree is bad? Beyond Two Souls is garbage...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 19:07:25 GMT
And I love this video, a bit more critical than I am, I really do like Bioshock Infinite, but it does address most of the problems I have with it: To the first video: Probably best to read this as you watch the video... Booker changing his name really is not a plothole... I don't get this part so much. Booker is made out to be sort of dull, why would he understand this perfectly? It's very possible and likely that he just made a mistake in that field, or that he changed his name to get as far away from his past as humanly possible. I personally believe the latter. Also, there's nothing really to suggest that Columbia doesn't exist in Booker's timeline, not to my knowledge, anyways. The youngest we see Comstock is when he is first starting Columbia, and he looks older than Booker. The only plothole there is that Comstock's hair is curly in that flashback we see him in, while Booker's is straight in the box art, and on the cover of the game. Then again, that could be my shitty TV, so let's move on. Perhaps Zachary was involved with the political side of things, as in all of the little informative old thing-you-put-your-eyes-into that play little movies, it shows that he seems to be the sole ambassador to the United States. There is also a lot that is left up to the imagination. Not the greatest story telling device, but also not the greatest story. It can be safely assumed that Rosalin did not want to partner up with Comstock, but had to for external reasons, such as maybe funding, or something along those lines, as in this sort of era, the United States was one of the better off countries in the aftermath of World War One. The real world timeline is canon unless directly said otherwise, for the most part, right? As for him parading Wounded Knee, keep in mind that Comstock went crazy along the way. Going back to the little references to Columbia's history, Comstock's actions seem relatively normal until he has white hair, long after he buys Anna. This means that Comstock had quite a long time to go a bit nuts. So I give that one a pass. As for the game not knowing whether or not Comstock is a believer or a liar, I think he's a believer, but again, a fucking psychopath. Psychopaths do things that are contradictory in nature. As for the ending, shooting Booker in the foot, that could be, but for some reason, the rules they set say that Wounded Knee is a must. Normal time travel rules don't apply. The main difference in all of these universes is what Booker did at that baptism, making that the place where it has to happen. To the second: Oh fuck it's thirty minutes. Not right now, I'll watch it later. Really frustrates me that @zyphon refuses to answer this. I just rendered that whole video, which was full of reasons he disliked Infinite's story, mute. Immediately, the next thing he says is that he gives up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 19:26:07 GMT
I agree, not a great game. It was enjoyable to watch though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 19:27:32 GMT
To the first video: Probably best to read this as you watch the video... Booker changing his name really is not a plothole... I don't get this part so much. Booker is made out to be sort of dull, why would he understand this perfectly? It's very possible and likely that he just made a mistake in that field, or that he changed his name to get as far away from his past as humanly possible. I personally believe the latter. Also, there's nothing really to suggest that Columbia doesn't exist in Booker's timeline, not to my knowledge, anyways. The youngest we see Comstock is when he is first starting Columbia, and he looks older than Booker. The only plothole there is that Comstock's hair is curly in that flashback we see him in, while Booker's is straight in the box art, and on the cover of the game. Then again, that could be my shitty TV, so let's move on. Perhaps Zachary was involved with the political side of things, as in all of the little informative old thing-you-put-your-eyes-into that play little movies, it shows that he seems to be the sole ambassador to the United States. There is also a lot that is left up to the imagination. Not the greatest story telling device, but also not the greatest story. It can be safely assumed that Rosalin did not want to partner up with Comstock, but had to for external reasons, such as maybe funding, or something along those lines, as in this sort of era, the United States was one of the better off countries in the aftermath of World War One. The real world timeline is canon unless directly said otherwise, for the most part, right? As for him parading Wounded Knee, keep in mind that Comstock went crazy along the way. Going back to the little references to Columbia's history, Comstock's actions seem relatively normal until he has white hair, long after he buys Anna. This means that Comstock had quite a long time to go a bit nuts. So I give that one a pass. As for the game not knowing whether or not Comstock is a believer or a liar, I think he's a believer, but again, a fucking psychopath. Psychopaths do things that are contradictory in nature. As for the ending, shooting Booker in the foot, that could be, but for some reason, the rules they set say that Wounded Knee is a must. Normal time travel rules don't apply. The main difference in all of these universes is what Booker did at that baptism, making that the place where it has to happen. To the second: Oh fuck it's thirty minutes. Not right now, I'll watch it later. Really frustrates me that @zyphon refuses to answer this. I just rendered that whole video, which was full of reasons he disliked Infinite's story, mute. Immediately, the next thing he says is that he gives up. Because I don't think you've really made those points mute, and it's been shown that this argument would be about as productive as me trying to convince Lexi Porter that Kenny is the best character in the The Walking Dead.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 19:28:12 GMT
Really frustrates me that @zyphon refuses to answer this. I just rendered that whole video, which was full of reasons he disliked Infinite's story, mute. Immediately, the next thing he says is that he gives up. Because I don't think you've really made those points mute, and it's been shown that this argument would be about as productive as me trying to convince Lexi Porter that Kenny is the best character in the The Walking Dead. how have I not done so?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 19:31:28 GMT
Because I don't think you've really made those points mute, and it's been shown that this argument would be about as productive as me trying to convince Lexi Porter that Kenny is the best character in the The Walking Dead. how have I not done so? I'm really don't want to get this started again. Simple answer: The video seems to back up it's points more than you. Also, big thing: Comstock is the same age as Booker, the idea is that the machines made him age rapidly. Another big plot hole, surely the Lutece's spent more time around their invention than Comstock, right? so why were they not aged, and why are they not sterile?
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Jun 23, 2014 19:34:03 GMT
Who says EVERYONE has to go sterile or age? Or for that matter, how long do we know they were around the machine anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 19:34:56 GMT
Who says EVERYONE has to go sterile or age? Or for that matter, how long do we know they were around the machine anyway? Well they invented it so... Also, not a big deal, I just thought I'd point it out, I really don't want another argument.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 19:36:18 GMT
I'm really don't want to get this started again. Simple answer: The video seems to back up it's points more than you. Also, big thing: Comstock is the same age as Booker, the idea is that the machines made him age rapidly. Another big plot hole, surely the Lutece's spent more time around their invention than Comstock, right? so why were they not aged, and why are they not sterile? When exactly does it say it aged him rapidly?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 19:38:26 GMT
I'm really don't want to get this started again. Simple answer: The video seems to back up it's points more than you. Also, big thing: Comstock is the same age as Booker, the idea is that the machines made him age rapidly. Another big plot hole, surely the Lutece's spent more time around their invention than Comstock, right? so why were they not aged, and why are they not sterile? When exactly does it say it aged him rapidly? An audio log thingy in their lab, right? I think even another one in the ship at the end. But ultimately, it's the same year in both timelines, ergo Comstock is the same age as Booker, yet is somehow much older.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Jun 23, 2014 19:43:30 GMT
I'm really don't want to get this started again. Simple answer: The video seems to back up it's points more than you. Also, big thing: Comstock is the same age as Booker, the idea is that the machines made him age rapidly. Another big plot hole, surely the Lutece's spent more time around their invention than Comstock, right? so why were they not aged, and why are they not sterile? When exactly does it say it aged him rapidly? Its in a Voxophone in his cabin on the Hand of the Prophet, but thing is, they never said it happens to everyone, anyway that is the explanation as to why he is sterile, why he is 72 instead of 38, and why he has a different eye color compared to Booker.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 19:50:55 GMT
When exactly does it say it aged him rapidly? Its in a Voxophone in his cabin on the Hand of the Prophet, but thing is, they never said it happens to everyone, anyway that is the explanation as to why he is sterile, why he is 72 instead of 38, and why he has a different eye color compared to Booker. Again, from the longer video, all of the "science" eventually becomes shorthand for magic.
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