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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on May 3, 2014 18:17:55 GMT
True, but he does seem really good at getting people to join his cause, I hope Elder Scrolls 6 deals with the soon to happen Second Great War, also the Emperor seemed like a nice guy.
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Post by Rock114 on May 3, 2014 18:20:19 GMT
Ulfric's good and making speeches and whatnot, but he's letting his hatred of the Thalmor cloud his judgement as to what's best for Skyrim. And the Emperor was awesome in that scene. I'd come to think of him as weak willing and a terrible ruler, but after that quest I couldn't do much but respect him. I even fulfilled his final wish, and did it gladly.
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Post by wakemeup on May 3, 2014 18:22:15 GMT
Okay, I have to admit that I don't remember everything that great, it's been a while since my last playtrough. But you said it yourself, it was Thalmor, who banned Talos. Tulius didn't do anything about it. He maybe had plans to deal with them in the future, but in the meanwhile, Thalmor was making their positinons in Skyrim stronger. The Thalmor did indeed ban Talos, but Tullius's hands are tied. He's only in charge of the Fourth Legion, not the Empire as a whole. The Thalmor really wouldn't even be in Skyrim if it weren't for Ulfric making a fuss about the ban of Talos worship. Alvor in Riverwood says that almost everyone who worshiped Talos in Skyrim had their secret shrines they went to, and that the Thalmor weren't dragging people off in the night until Ulfric demanded the right to worship Talos to be returned. The Emperor was forced to crack down on Talos worship in Skyrim, or violate the WGC, which would begin another war and lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of people. I'm not saying I agree with the Thalmor. I hate them, and the ban on Talos worship, but Ulfric is playing right into their hands with his rebellion. He's right to be riled up about it, but in trying to make things better all he did was weaken Skyrim and the Empire as a whole. Ulfric just wants what's best for his people, but in the long run I can't see it doing anything but getting them killed or enslaved by the Dominion. That is why I see the Empire as Skyrim's best hope to weather the oncoming storm of a second Great War. At least we can agree on something. I don't have any counter arguments. I don't remember all those civil war details well enough. Good job Rock, you won. I'm still pro stormcloak, but you made some good points. Don't worry, Tulius' supporter or not, you're still a bro to me. But there's one thing that bothers me. Couldn't they all try to make peace? I'm pretty sure Ulfric would accept peace, if Tulius would give him good terms. If those both sides would work together, Thalmor would be in much worse postion. |
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on May 3, 2014 18:22:51 GMT
Same, I mean I hate the Empire, but Emperor Tidas Mede the second was a awesome, so now I don't kill him unless I do a asshole playthrough.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on May 3, 2014 18:23:40 GMT
The Thalmor did indeed ban Talos, but Tullius's hands are tied. He's only in charge of the Fourth Legion, not the Empire as a whole. The Thalmor really wouldn't even be in Skyrim if it weren't for Ulfric making a fuss about the ban of Talos worship. Alvor in Riverwood says that almost everyone who worshiped Talos in Skyrim had their secret shrines they went to, and that the Thalmor weren't dragging people off in the night until Ulfric demanded the right to worship Talos to be returned. The Emperor was forced to crack down on Talos worship in Skyrim, or violate the WGC, which would begin another war and lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of people. I'm not saying I agree with the Thalmor. I hate them, and the ban on Talos worship, but Ulfric is playing right into their hands with his rebellion. He's right to be riled up about it, but in trying to make things better all he did was weaken Skyrim and the Empire as a whole. Ulfric just wants what's best for his people, but in the long run I can't see it doing anything but getting them killed or enslaved by the Dominion. That is why I see the Empire as Skyrim's best hope to weather the oncoming storm of a second Great War. At least we can agree on something. I don't have any counter arguments. I don't remember all those civil war details well enough. Good job Rock, you won. I'm still pro stormcloak, but you made some good points. Don't worry, Tulius' supporter or not, you're still a bro to me. But there's one thing that bothers me. Couldn't they all try to make peace? I'm pretty sure Ulfric would accept peace, if Tulius would give him good terms. If those both sides would work together, Thalmor would be in much worse postion. I guess they were both stubborn. |
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Post by Rock114 on May 3, 2014 18:29:45 GMT
The Thalmor did indeed ban Talos, but Tullius's hands are tied. He's only in charge of the Fourth Legion, not the Empire as a whole. The Thalmor really wouldn't even be in Skyrim if it weren't for Ulfric making a fuss about the ban of Talos worship. Alvor in Riverwood says that almost everyone who worshiped Talos in Skyrim had their secret shrines they went to, and that the Thalmor weren't dragging people off in the night until Ulfric demanded the right to worship Talos to be returned. The Emperor was forced to crack down on Talos worship in Skyrim, or violate the WGC, which would begin another war and lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of people. I'm not saying I agree with the Thalmor. I hate them, and the ban on Talos worship, but Ulfric is playing right into their hands with his rebellion. He's right to be riled up about it, but in trying to make things better all he did was weaken Skyrim and the Empire as a whole. Ulfric just wants what's best for his people, but in the long run I can't see it doing anything but getting them killed or enslaved by the Dominion. That is why I see the Empire as Skyrim's best hope to weather the oncoming storm of a second Great War. At least we can agree on something. I don't have any counter arguments. I don't remember all those civil war details well enough. Good job Rock, you won. I'm still pro stormcloak, but you made some good points. Don't worry, Tulius' supporter or not, you're still a bro to me. But there's one thing that bothers me. Couldn't they all try to make peace? I'm pretty sure Ulfric would accept peace, if Tulius would give him good terms. If those both sides would work together, Thalmor would be in much worse postion. Yeah, I hate the Thalmor as much as Ulfric and the Stormcloaks do, I just think the Empire is the best hope for Tamriel in the long run. Even being a loyal Imperial, I slaughter any patrols they have and free the prisoners, despite said prisoners being rebels. And even though you're Ulfric's buddy, you're still cool in my book. We just have different views about what's best for Skyrim as a whole. As for peace, I'm afraid that isn't an option with the Thalmor in the picture. The Empire has to go in and destroy the rebellion, because if they don't it would be a breach of the WGC, giving the Thalmor the excuse they need to begin another war. If only it were actually possible for both to work together, the Thalmor might not be so smug. |
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Post by wakemeup on May 3, 2014 18:32:39 GMT
At least we can agree on something. I don't have any counter arguments. I don't remember all those civil war details well enough. Good job Rock, you won. I'm still pro stormcloak, but you made some good points. Don't worry, Tulius' supporter or not, you're still a bro to me. But there's one thing that bothers me. Couldn't they all try to make peace? I'm pretty sure Ulfric would accept peace, if Tulius would give him good terms. If those both sides would work together, Thalmor would be in much worse postion. As for peace, I'm afraid that isn't an option with the Thalmor in the picture. The Empire has to go in and destroy the rebellion, because if they don't it would be a breach of the WGC, giving the Thalmor the excuse they need to begin another war. If only it were actually possible for both to work together, the Thalmor might not be so smug. That's what I was talking about. Making peace AND joining forces. I know it would be really hard to accomplish, but that's probably the option that would hurt Thalmor the most. And I'm slaughtering every Thalmor patrol too. I even killed all those Thalmors in Markath, directly in front of the Jarl. I'm not sure if it was a bug or not, but jarl and his guards didn't give a fuck. |
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Post by Rock114 on May 3, 2014 18:34:52 GMT
As for peace, I'm afraid that isn't an option with the Thalmor in the picture. The Empire has to go in and destroy the rebellion, because if they don't it would be a breach of the WGC, giving the Thalmor the excuse they need to begin another war. If only it were actually possible for both to work together, the Thalmor might not be so smug. That's what I was talking about. Making peace AND joining forces. I know it would be really hard to accomplish, but that's probably the option that would hurt Thalmor the most. And I'm slaughtering every Thalmor patrol too. I even killed all those Thalmors in Markath, directly in front of the Jarl. I'm not sure if it was a bug or not, but jarl and his guards didn't give a fuck. Believe it or not, it ISN'T a bug. The people of Skyrim, supporters of the Empire or Ulfric, really give absolutely zero fucks about violence against the Thalmor. They have to charge you with something, so it's only the 40 gold charge for assault rather than the 1000 gold charges for murder. Because, really, having less Thalmor milk drinkers in Skyrim is really only making the place better. |
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on May 3, 2014 18:35:13 GMT
Same here, if the Stormcloaks take over, they execute them on the spot.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2014 18:35:32 GMT
Always either a Khajit or a Dark Elf and i alternate between focusing on 2 handed weapons and being a mage.
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Post by wakemeup on May 3, 2014 18:39:49 GMT
That's what I was talking about. Making peace AND joining forces. I know it would be really hard to accomplish, but that's probably the option that would hurt Thalmor the most. And I'm slaughtering every Thalmor patrol too. I even killed all those Thalmors in Markath, directly in front of the Jarl. I'm not sure if it was a bug or not, but jarl and his guards didn't give a fuck. Believe it or not, it ISN'T a bug. The people of Skyrim, supporters of the Empire or Ulfric, really give absolutely zero fucks about violence against the Thalmor. They have to charge you with something, so it's only the 40 gold charge for assault rather than the 1000 gold charges for murder. Because, really, having less Thalmor milk drinkers in Skyrim is really only making the place better. Haha, thought so. But it seemed weird to me, because their bodies were lying directly under Jarl's feet. That time I was lucky, but I had a lot of problems with the law anyway. I accidently attacked Stormcloak guard in Windhelm and he and many others started chasing me. I really didn't know that if my summoned dragon would kill them, I would be charged for all these murders.  I was avoiding Windhelm for a long time after that. |
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Post by Rock114 on May 3, 2014 18:40:50 GMT
Given our little debate over the Civil War, I thought I'd throw this mod out there for you guys, if anyone here plays on PC like myself: www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/37216/?It basically overhauls the civil war, remaking it to its former glory. The mod is finicky as all hell, but for how much it restores I feel it's more than worth it. Features include Stormcloak Giants and wolves, restored sieges to hold capitals such as Markarth and Riften, and the ability to actually lose battles, and possibly even the Civil War itself. |
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Post by wakemeup on May 3, 2014 18:42:07 GMT
Shit, now I regret buying Skyrim on Xbox 360, instead of PC.
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Post by Rock114 on May 3, 2014 18:44:36 GMT
I bought it for the 360 initially as well, but instead of getting the DLCs as they came out, I waited for the Legendary Edition to release on Steam so I could get all of the DLCs at once, with the added benefit of mods. I did the same for Fallout: New Vegas. Another benefit of mods? You can get rid of those fucking Giant Spiders that infest the underground areas of Skyrim. I NEEDED that mod more than any other, even more than the civil war overhaul.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on May 3, 2014 19:10:04 GMT
I HATE THOSE SPIDERS! Also that mod sounds badass!
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I was avoiding Windhelm for a long time after that.
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