Post by Fleur on Apr 11, 2014 10:01:31 GMT
Thank you for the welcome, Heisenberg
I'll throw the rest of what I have to say in a spoiler since I mention episode 3 and 1 within.
I'll throw the rest of what I have to say in a spoiler since I mention episode 3 and 1 within.
As for the killer, I did a little bit of research on the Queens and as it turns out the Red Queen is different from the Queen of Hearts.
That being said, I think it might very well be possible that both Queens could make an appearance.
If you guys have played through episode 3 of TWAU there are two scenes (that I know of) that mention "Pawns" or rather "The Lucky Pawn" in particular as it is a Pawn shop owned by The Crooked Man.
1. If you choose to go to Crane's Apartment first, Bigby will run into Jack; and at one point during their conversation Jack mentions that he is going to pawn some of the Crane's stuff over at "The Lucky Pawn" Pawn shop.
2. In the preview of episode 4 of TWAU, there is a scene that shows Bigby and Jack talking right outside of that pawn shop.
I think it's a pretty safe bet to assume that a pawn making it all the way to the other side of a chess board is indeed a lucky feat, so there could definitely be a connection between the "The Lucky Pawn" pawn shop, Alice and the Red Queen.
Although the Queen of Hearts isn't necessarily connected to the White Queen, they do have Alice and Wonderland in common even if they don't 'roll with the same crowds' per se. If one Queen appears then why not the others? The murder victims do fit the bill of her style of "off with their heads" execution. I'm not that familiar with the Lewis Carrol's books, but I think it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for royalty to have a guillotine. I think the force of a guillotine would be more than enough to kill a fable. When Bigby is first examing Faith's head in episode 1 he mentions that either something magical or something very sharp could be the murder weapon.
Bigby: "Strange cut... what did this to her?"
Snow: "What could do something like that?"
Bigby: "Either something very sharp, or something with magic attached to it."
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Also, I'm not quite sure what everyone's definition of "murderer" is in this case.
For example, the Queen of Hearts can order an execution but it would not be she that would enact the physical aspect of the murder; although I suppose she could do it if she wanted to. I suppose a better example would be a scenario in episode 1 where you have the choice to visit Toad or Prince Lawrence first. If you go to Prince Lawrence's place first then you will find him still alive; however, if you go to Toad's place first and Prince Lawrence's place second, you end up with a dead prince and a Blood covered Tweedle Dee busting out of the closet. Wouldn't it be logical to think that Dee finished him off? Escpecially considering the beginning and ending scenes of episode 3 where both the Tweedles are unloading their shotguns at everyone. I think the whole point of a gun is a "shoot to kill" attitude..
I'll list a few characters I'm suspicious of:
1. The Headless Horseman: He's barely been mentioned in the game so far but he has a strong connection with Crane; and on top of that the murder victims do have the same physical build as him.
2. Little Red Riding Hood: She has barely been mentioned at all and I find that extremely odd considering her ties with both Bigby and Woody. I find her suspicious since the red hood symbolizes blood. If you want to get technical, the symbolism is of a girl who has come of age by having her period. It's a representation of being a woman in the physical sense. The wolf represents a hairy guy; so basically an adult male. And him "eating" Red Riding Hood is more so him curbing his sexual appetite by raping her. Of course this game is PG compared to the true versions of all of the folk tales; however, I don't think it would be too surprising if Red ended up being some kind of violent girl (after all, she symbolizes blood). Sometimes I wonder if she's just trying to fuck with Bigby out of revenge; considering that the heads are dropped off at his doorstep. Who else would have reason to toy with someone like that?
The other people living in the building are: G. Rimble (205), F. Catcher (206), Mr. & Mrs. Beast (301), B. Blue (302), J. Homer (304), B. Beard (401), K. Cole (402), S. White (601)
It seems like the connection that the victim's have to Bigby are the strongest; though I suppose the drop offs could be meant for Snow or Blue Beard as well.
3. Sea Witch: Now she hasn't been mentioned at all, but I wonder if she could be the witch casting the "lips are sealed" spell. She has a connection to Nerissa through The Little Mermaid fairy tale. On top of that she takes the Mermaid's voice from her in exchange for a pair of legs in the story version.
The Red Queen is commonly mistaken for the Queen of Hearts in the story's predecessor, Alice in Wonderland. The two share the characteristics of being strict queens associated with the color red. However, their personalities are very different. Indeed, Carroll, in his lifetime, made the distinction between the two Queens by saying:
“I pictured to myself the Queen of Hearts as a sort of embodiment of ungovernable passion - a blind and aimless Fury.
The Red Queen I pictured as a Fury, but of another type; her passion must be cold and calm - she must be formal and strict, yet not unkindly; pedantic to the 10th degree, the concentrated essence of all governesses![1]”
—Lewis Carroll, in "Alice on the Stage"
“I pictured to myself the Queen of Hearts as a sort of embodiment of ungovernable passion - a blind and aimless Fury.
The Red Queen I pictured as a Fury, but of another type; her passion must be cold and calm - she must be formal and strict, yet not unkindly; pedantic to the 10th degree, the concentrated essence of all governesses![1]”
—Lewis Carroll, in "Alice on the Stage"
That being said, I think it might very well be possible that both Queens could make an appearance.
[Source]
With a motif of Through the Looking-Glass being a representation of the game of chess, the Red Queen could be viewed as an antagonist in the story as she is the queen for the side opposing Alice. Despite this, their initial encounter is a cordial one, with the Red Queen explaining the rules of Chess concerning promotion — specifically that Alice is able to become a queen by starting out as a pawn and reaching the eighth square at the opposite end of the board. As a queen in the game of Chess, the Red Queen is able to move swiftly and effortlessly.If you guys have played through episode 3 of TWAU there are two scenes (that I know of) that mention "Pawns" or rather "The Lucky Pawn" in particular as it is a Pawn shop owned by The Crooked Man.
1. If you choose to go to Crane's Apartment first, Bigby will run into Jack; and at one point during their conversation Jack mentions that he is going to pawn some of the Crane's stuff over at "The Lucky Pawn" Pawn shop.
2. In the preview of episode 4 of TWAU, there is a scene that shows Bigby and Jack talking right outside of that pawn shop.
I think it's a pretty safe bet to assume that a pawn making it all the way to the other side of a chess board is indeed a lucky feat, so there could definitely be a connection between the "The Lucky Pawn" pawn shop, Alice and the Red Queen.
[Source]
Alice observes three playing cards painting white roses red. They drop to the ground face down at the approach of the Queen of Hearts, whom Alice has never met. When the Queen arrives and asks Alice who is lying on the ground (since the backs of all playing cards look alike), Alice tells her that she does not know. The Queen then becomes frustrated and commands that her head be severed. She is deterred by her comparatively moderate husband by being reminded that Alice is only a child.Although the Queen of Hearts isn't necessarily connected to the White Queen, they do have Alice and Wonderland in common even if they don't 'roll with the same crowds' per se. If one Queen appears then why not the others? The murder victims do fit the bill of her style of "off with their heads" execution. I'm not that familiar with the Lewis Carrol's books, but I think it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for royalty to have a guillotine. I think the force of a guillotine would be more than enough to kill a fable. When Bigby is first examing Faith's head in episode 1 he mentions that either something magical or something very sharp could be the murder weapon.
Bigby: "Strange cut... what did this to her?"
Snow: "What could do something like that?"
Bigby: "Either something very sharp, or something with magic attached to it."
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Also, I'm not quite sure what everyone's definition of "murderer" is in this case.
For example, the Queen of Hearts can order an execution but it would not be she that would enact the physical aspect of the murder; although I suppose she could do it if she wanted to. I suppose a better example would be a scenario in episode 1 where you have the choice to visit Toad or Prince Lawrence first. If you go to Prince Lawrence's place first then you will find him still alive; however, if you go to Toad's place first and Prince Lawrence's place second, you end up with a dead prince and a Blood covered Tweedle Dee busting out of the closet. Wouldn't it be logical to think that Dee finished him off? Escpecially considering the beginning and ending scenes of episode 3 where both the Tweedles are unloading their shotguns at everyone. I think the whole point of a gun is a "shoot to kill" attitude..
I'll list a few characters I'm suspicious of:
1. The Headless Horseman: He's barely been mentioned in the game so far but he has a strong connection with Crane; and on top of that the murder victims do have the same physical build as him.
2. Little Red Riding Hood: She has barely been mentioned at all and I find that extremely odd considering her ties with both Bigby and Woody. I find her suspicious since the red hood symbolizes blood. If you want to get technical, the symbolism is of a girl who has come of age by having her period. It's a representation of being a woman in the physical sense. The wolf represents a hairy guy; so basically an adult male. And him "eating" Red Riding Hood is more so him curbing his sexual appetite by raping her. Of course this game is PG compared to the true versions of all of the folk tales; however, I don't think it would be too surprising if Red ended up being some kind of violent girl (after all, she symbolizes blood). Sometimes I wonder if she's just trying to fuck with Bigby out of revenge; considering that the heads are dropped off at his doorstep. Who else would have reason to toy with someone like that?
The other people living in the building are: G. Rimble (205), F. Catcher (206), Mr. & Mrs. Beast (301), B. Blue (302), J. Homer (304), B. Beard (401), K. Cole (402), S. White (601)
It seems like the connection that the victim's have to Bigby are the strongest; though I suppose the drop offs could be meant for Snow or Blue Beard as well.
3. Sea Witch: Now she hasn't been mentioned at all, but I wonder if she could be the witch casting the "lips are sealed" spell. She has a connection to Nerissa through The Little Mermaid fairy tale. On top of that she takes the Mermaid's voice from her in exchange for a pair of legs in the story version.