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Post by sos on Apr 7, 2014 16:01:59 GMT
So... partially because I've played House Divided enough times through to let the episode sink in and partially because I'm desperately trying to bridge the gap between now and In Harm's Way, I've been thinking...
Why SHOULD we trust the cabin group? I promised myself that I wouldn't let Carver get in my head, but here we are. If Carver is so evil, why can't the group let Clementine know exactly why they had to leave? Wouldn't they want her 100% in their corner? If so, wouldn't the easiest way to do that be by explaining to Clem "we had to ditch Carver, why? Because he's evil. Why? Here's why: _____" It has to be more than the Rebecca/Carver baby thing. The involvement of everyone else besides Rebecca and Alvin just wouldn't add up otherwise.
You could argue that it's just Carlos babying Clementine and that's why they're not being direct, but Luke seems to shoot Clem straight and even he dodges the question. Weird, considering Carver implies that the group followed Luke as a leader out of Carver's camp. The whole thing is fishy. I'm not going to let Carver play me, but I still don't trust the cabin group. Head on a swivel, 24/7.
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Post by Teacakes on Apr 7, 2014 16:03:54 GMT
I feel ya.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 16:18:28 GMT
I have a feeling that a few of the Cabin Groups were high-ups for Carver. Carlos was quite obviously his doctor. If Carver had a tendency to torture people, then they'd get sent to Carlos to be cleaned up afterwards, and he probably had enough, and his will to keep Sarah safe was stronger than his will to keep the residents of Howes' DIY Store safe.
Either that or something threw Carlos over the edge, such as Carver starting to outright kill people.
Also Luke seems like he was probably a guard or something, filling a role similar to Troy, Johnny or Bonnie. He was probably the guy who helped the group escape, so he has a good knowledge of ways into and out of the camp which should help when he shows up in Episode 3.
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Post by Michael7123 on Apr 7, 2014 16:18:58 GMT
So... partially because I've played House Divided enough times through to let the episode sink in and partially because I'm desperately trying to bridge the gap between now and In Harm's Way, I've been thinking... Why SHOULD we trust the cabin group? I promised myself that I wouldn't let Carver get in my head, but here we are. If Carver is so evil, why can't the group let Clementine know exactly why they had to leave? Wouldn't they want her 100% in their corner? If so, wouldn't the easiest way to do that be by explaining to Clem "we had to ditch Carver, why? Because he's evil. Why? Here's why: _____" It has to be more than the Rebecca/Carver baby thing. The involvement of everyone else besides Rebecca and Alvin just wouldn't add up otherwise. You could argue that it's just Carlos babying Clementine and that's why they're not being direct, but Luke seems to shoot Clem straight and even he dodges the question. Weird, considering Carver implies that the group followed Luke as a leader out of Carver's camp. The whole thing is fishy. I'm not going to let Carver play me, but I still don't trust the cabin group. Head on a swivel, 24/7. Because if it wasn't for Luke and Pete, Clementine would be dead.
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Post by sos on Apr 7, 2014 16:31:35 GMT
So... partially because I've played House Divided enough times through to let the episode sink in and partially because I'm desperately trying to bridge the gap between now and In Harm's Way, I've been thinking... Why SHOULD we trust the cabin group? I promised myself that I wouldn't let Carver get in my head, but here we are. If Carver is so evil, why can't the group let Clementine know exactly why they had to leave? Wouldn't they want her 100% in their corner? If so, wouldn't the easiest way to do that be by explaining to Clem "we had to ditch Carver, why? Because he's evil. Why? Here's why: _____" It has to be more than the Rebecca/Carver baby thing. The involvement of everyone else besides Rebecca and Alvin just wouldn't add up otherwise. You could argue that it's just Carlos babying Clementine and that's why they're not being direct, but Luke seems to shoot Clem straight and even he dodges the question. Weird, considering Carver implies that the group followed Luke as a leader out of Carver's camp. The whole thing is fishy. I'm not going to let Carver play me, but I still don't trust the cabin group. Head on a swivel, 24/7. Because if it wasn't for Luke and Pete, Clementine would be dead. Fair point, I just want to know more about the situation and everyone's original intentions before acting in any way. They saved Clementine's life and both Pete and Luke see her as an asset. If they're keeping her in the dark, it can't be for no reason. Or it's just a plot device, that works too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 17:05:46 GMT
Could be just a simple problem of 'It's not her problem and we don't need to make her a part of all of it.' But now Carver knows of Clementine, she's involved. Carver will probably tell her his (skewed) version of events, and the Cabin Group will tell theirs, and we'll have to work out who's telling the truth. The Cabin group could lie to keep her on their side, Carver could lie to get her on his.
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Post by o0HeaDShoT0o on Apr 7, 2014 17:11:50 GMT
So... partially because I've played House Divided enough times through to let the episode sink in and partially because I'm desperately trying to bridge the gap between now and In Harm's Way, I've been thinking... Why SHOULD we trust the cabin group? I promised myself that I wouldn't let Carver get in my head, but here we are. If Carver is so evil, why can't the group let Clementine know exactly why they had to leave? Wouldn't they want her 100% in their corner? If so, wouldn't the easiest way to do that be by explaining to Clem "we had to ditch Carver, why? Because he's evil. Why? Here's why: _____" It has to be more than the Rebecca/Carver baby thing. The involvement of everyone else besides Rebecca and Alvin just wouldn't add up otherwise. You could argue that it's just Carlos babying Clementine and that's why they're not being direct, but Luke seems to shoot Clem straight and even he dodges the question. Weird, considering Carver implies that the group followed Luke as a leader out of Carver's camp. The whole thing is fishy. I'm not going to let Carver play me, but I still don't trust the cabin group. Head on a swivel, 24/7. I feel the same. I don't like how they're not being 100% honest about why they left Carver, but I still trust them far more than him. I'm also not willing to believe anything Carver says, and refuse to be his pet.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Apr 10, 2014 19:49:46 GMT
I don't know, I trust these people well, but then again I did trust a certain female character that stabbed me in the back, so I do have trust issues, I don't know.
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Post by Teacakes on Apr 10, 2014 19:54:24 GMT
Why do you always bring up Lilly?
You don't NEED to bring her up.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Apr 10, 2014 20:08:56 GMT
Why? Because I trusted her, and after that I had a hard time trusting anyone, I didn't like Christa and Omid first time we met. So I have a reason!
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Post by Teacakes on Apr 10, 2014 20:10:34 GMT
Can't you just let it go and move on? It's been a year.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Apr 10, 2014 20:13:10 GMT
Two years to be accurate. Also you do realize you are talking to me, I might have someone I hate more, but that does not mean I instantly forget, it still left me with trust issues, same with Vernon, so excuse me if I am a bit paranoid about who I trust. I like all the cabin people, and I do trust them, but there is a bit of doubt.
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Post by Rock114 on Apr 10, 2014 20:43:38 GMT
Oh, the Cabin Crew has most definitely done some bad things. Remember what Carver said about George? Yeah, I'll bet that there was more to the situation than just Alvin murdering a guy, but that still happened.
Plus: "Your dad's the nicest man I know, Sarah. Which is why he's not going to do anything crazy, or... not nice... right?" That line right there just screams "These guys have a secret! They're hiding something from you!" That being said, I still trust them more than I trust Carver. Luke and Pete saved my life when they didn't even know me. Pete saved my life again at the truck, and Carlos saved me when the walkers attacked the lodge. They've certainly done more for me than Carver has.
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Post by Teacakes on Apr 10, 2014 21:24:38 GMT
Two years to be accurate. Also you do realize you are talking to me, I might have someone I hate more, but that does not mean I instantly forget, it still left me with trust issues, same with Vernon, so excuse me if I am a bit paranoid about who I trust. I like all the cabin people, and I do trust them, but there is a bit of doubt. I didn't say that you had to stop being paranoid, I said that it would be best to move on. I mean, is it really healthy to hold a grudge that long? She's probably dead so why is it worth hating a dead corpse? She really ain't worth it, Bio. (She doesn't really deserve all the crap she gets) maybe hate on someone else.... Like Atlas. That dude sucks... His accent is awesome, though.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Apr 10, 2014 21:43:51 GMT
Don't tell me who I should hate and like, because you want Kenny to be liked by all.
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