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Crane
Feb 7, 2014 17:16:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 17:16:47 GMT
Reminds me of the Book of Fables: Ichabod's Denial, The Legend of Sleepy Hollow It can be achieved in episode 2. Read it, it's VERY interesting. Sleepy hollow is a very interesting fable. It's still not known whether the author meant to have the Headless Horseman as one of Brom's pranks or if it was real. Sleepy hollow is one of the great American fables
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Crane
Feb 8, 2014 13:07:27 GMT
Post by Teacakes on Feb 8, 2014 13:07:27 GMT
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Crane
Feb 10, 2014 7:50:21 GMT
Post by cazador on Feb 10, 2014 7:50:21 GMT
All I remember Beauty saying was that she owed the Crooked Man money and that the Tweedles were pestering her for it. I guess this means that they were probably working for the Crooked Man, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they can't be working for someone else as well. They're just hired goons so I'd imagine that they wouldn't necessarily be bound to work for just one person. Anyway, the Tweedles have to be working for Crane to some capacity. When you ask the mirror to show you Tweedledum, you see him in a car that looks exactly like the one that Crane was driving. That, combined with Crane's reaction to the fact that you've captured Dee and his reaction when Dee reveals to Bigby that he was looking for something that Faith stole from his boss, points to the fact that Crane hired them. They have a boss(Which is probably the Crooked Man) so they can't work for just anyone. Crane didn't hire them and that couldn't be Crane's Car seeing as Big by and Crane were in Crane's car not long before seeing that in the mirror. And if it is, it could just mean Dum was searching Crane's car.
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Crane
Feb 10, 2014 8:45:56 GMT
Post by DomeWing333 on Feb 10, 2014 8:45:56 GMT
The whole interrogation scene with Woody/Dee took place after Bigby and Crane left the car. That was plenty of time. Tweedledum was in the driver seat of the car and he didn't seem to be looking for anything. He was just sitting there. My guess is that he was waiting for Crane to release Dee so that they can go off and do more snooping around.
Now it's possible that both Crane and the Tweedles are working for the Crooked Man or they are just working together for some reason, but the signs point to them being on the same side and working towards the same goals.
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Crane
Feb 10, 2014 9:30:07 GMT
Post by cazador on Feb 10, 2014 9:30:07 GMT
I respectfully disagree, the signs show the opposite. Considering what will eventually happen to Crane, it's unlikely he's working with the crooked man or that's he's the Twin's boss. The only time Crane was acting suspicious was when Bigby and Snow were looking at Lily's body and we know why.
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Crane
Feb 10, 2014 9:53:56 GMT
Post by DomeWing333 on Feb 10, 2014 9:53:56 GMT
You don't think his immediate defense of the Tweedles was suspicious? Compare his attitude towards Bigby's capture of the Woodsman to Bigby's capture of Dee. He was fully onboard with Woody being interrogated, but with Dum and Dee, he seemed almost certain that there was no way they were involved with the murders. And Crane isn't a guy who would come to someone's defense like that unless he had some stake invested in them. Combine this with the fact that Dum was apparently in Crane's car and it seems pretty indicative of something going on between him and the Tweedles.
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Crane
Feb 10, 2014 12:13:43 GMT
Post by cazador on Feb 10, 2014 12:13:43 GMT
You don't think his immediate defense of the Tweedles was suspicious? Compare his attitude towards Bigby's capture of the Woodsman to Bigby's capture of Dee. He was fully onboard with Woody being interrogated, but with Dum and Dee, he seemed almost certain that there was no way they were involved with the murders. And Crane isn't a guy who would come to someone's defense like that unless he had some stake invested in them. Combine this with the fact that Dum was apparently in Crane's car and it seems pretty indicative of something going on between him and the Tweedles. You forget that Crane is rather bigoted towards the less fortunate Fables like the Woodsman. So it's not surprise he has a bias against the Woodsman. Heck, he even makes that clear during Woody's interrogation.
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Crane
Feb 10, 2014 19:10:53 GMT
Post by DomeWing333 on Feb 10, 2014 19:10:53 GMT
Dum and Dee don't seem particularly well-off themselves. They're just thugs for hire. So why would he care about defending them?
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Crane
Feb 10, 2014 23:01:55 GMT
Post by cazador on Feb 10, 2014 23:01:55 GMT
Dum and Dee don't seem particularly well-off themselves. They're just thugs for hire. So why would he care about defending them? They aren't poor for one thing and they are loan sharks. And all Crane does is get angry at you if you are rough with Dee, which happens with Woody too.
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Crane
Feb 10, 2014 23:05:32 GMT
Post by wakemeup on Feb 10, 2014 23:05:32 GMT
Crane also sets Dee free, he doesn't do it with Woody.
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Crane
Feb 10, 2014 23:12:47 GMT
Post by cazador on Feb 10, 2014 23:12:47 GMT
Crane also sets Dee free, he doesn't do it with Woody. Again, you are forgetting that's he's prejudiced against Woody. Besides, Crane skips town(as was stated in the comics), so he might not be sticking around for the rest of the story of TWAU. He does get away.
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Crane
Feb 10, 2014 23:21:40 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 23:21:40 GMT
Reminds me of the Book of Fables: Ichabod's Denial, The Legend of Sleepy Hollow It can be achieved in episode 2. Read it, it's VERY interesting. The whole story is in the book "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow". It's a really good story. One of the first American stories, created right after the revolutionary war era, if I'm not mistaken.
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Crane
Feb 10, 2014 23:40:41 GMT
Post by DomeWing333 on Feb 10, 2014 23:40:41 GMT
Dum and Dee don't seem particularly well-off themselves. They're just thugs for hire. So why would he care about defending them? They aren't poor for one thing and they are loan sharks. And all Crane does is get angry at you if you are rough with Dee, which happens with Woody too. In the car, when Bigby admits to being the one who detained Dee, Crane defends him, saying things "Dee was at the Trip-Trap when Snow was left at the Woodlands, so he couldn't possibly be involved in this mayhem" (despite that also being true of the Woodsman), "we can't implicate an innocent man" (despite having no proof of Dee's innocence, other than possibly Dee's own claim that he was at the Trip Trap), and "[snooping around every crime scene Bigby's been at] does necessarily mean that they're involved in the murders" (without even a hint of curiosity as to why they might be doing that). He's giving them way too much of the benefit of the doubt. I understand Crane not liking Woody, but he has no reason to take any interest in Dum and Dee's well-being either.
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Crane
Feb 11, 2014 1:19:21 GMT
Post by cazador on Feb 11, 2014 1:19:21 GMT
He still brought Dee down to their jail cell instead of letting him go. In any event, if there is a connection it could be that Crane owes the Crooked man money or the Crooked Man is blackmailing Crane about Crane's perversion.
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Crane
Feb 11, 2014 18:32:25 GMT
Post by nightmarehell on Feb 11, 2014 18:32:25 GMT
Someone blackmailing Crane. He sent Beast to Hotel to stop Bigby, he just said "Beauty is at Open Arms Hotel." and, shit happened.
The Crooked Man, employer of Dum and Dee, have business with Crane I think. Probably they blackmail Crane. And, the messages. Faith was Crooked Man's own business, but Snow White's murder obviously a message. They failed ofc, but they wanted to do this. Dee and Dum may be not killers, Crooked Man probably got better men for murders.
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