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Post by DomeWing333 on Feb 2, 2014 5:56:31 GMT
I'd say that blackmailing someone is pretty much just threatening them and Lee has had the option to threaten people who haven't deserved it. And the other dialogue options didn't strike me as being grim. You're going to need to be more specific with that claim.
I think you're splitting hairs with the worrying thing. I'm pretty sure Clem actually says "I hope my arm doesn't get infected."
In Episode 5, Lee had people supporting him and someone to fight for. There was a clear-cut goal for him: something to push him forward and make his struggle to stay alive worth it. As for Clem? The only person she's been with for the past 16 months was a cold, unemotional woman who lost her entire family and who may or may not secretly resent Clem for causing the death of her spouse. Now she is in all likelihood dead or if she's not dead, the chances of Clem meeting her again are astronomically low. Then she found a dog companion who immediately turned on her and inflicted a grievous wound. Then, when she finally thought she was safe, the group of people she found herself was still willing to let her suffer and potentially die with a huge open wound. She has no one and nothing to live for, but she has to go on or else the sacrifices that other have made for her sake will have been in vain. How can she not be grim?
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Post by Michael7123 on Feb 2, 2014 5:57:17 GMT
1. Does Bio like bioshock 2? I don't know. 2. There actually is another choice that was reasonably split, give or deny water. I know, it came right at the very end, and you are probably thinking "that choice is only around 70/30". You're right, but the meat locker choice is only 68/32 (I just checked right now). Granted, this has nowhere near the personal impact or trauma of the meat locker (for obvious reasons), but it can be used to show what type of person you are. As for the first 2, the choice basically is "are you a piece of shit, or do you have a soul?" I'll fully admit that. As for forgiving Nick, that does somewhat break out of tradition. When was the last time anyone ever apologized for something so significant in this series? I honestly think telltale expected this choice to be much more split than it was, I certainly didn't expect a 10/90 split. Secondly, TTG seems to be fond of "pick one person to save (or capture in TWAU) at the very end of episode 1". Last season, the choice was done badly. An attractive woman with a gun, who's only downside is she knows your past, versus a fat, good natured techie wearing socks and sandals. Even you admitted that the Nick/Pete choice was one of the best in the series. My guess (and at least hope) is that they will be building of tradition and hopefully improving on it's week points (such as the Nick/Pete being much better than Carley/Doug). 3. You're completely overlooking remorse here, which she clearly shows if you tell Luke that she ran away and Lee died getting her back. Also, see Domewing's first post here for the rest of my thoughts on this matter. 4. Completely agree with the last sentence. 1) He said he never played it. 2) And... Uh... How does this relate to that paragraph? I don't know what you're arguing... Please, elaborate... 3) I know, I was blanketing a little bit. I just wanted to show you pretty much what happened. 4) Only a little bit. 1. Okay then. 2. Looking at it a second time, I realize I completely misunderstood your point. Ignore this. 3. Still, Dome covers my thoughts almost exactly. 4. ?
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Post by That Doom Guy on Feb 2, 2014 5:57:44 GMT
I'm gonna try to contribute to this argument (if that's what you wanna call it)
Ok, so you don't like the fact that Clem is grim all the time? What's wrong with that? Honestly, if I was in her shoes I would be pretty grim too with all the shit going on.
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Post by Michael7123 on Feb 2, 2014 6:01:33 GMT
I'm gonna try to contribute to this argument (if that's what you wanna call it) Ok, so you don't like the fact that Clem is grim all the time? What's wrong with that? Honestly, if I was in her shoes I would be pretty grim too with all the shit going on. Realism kinda makes for shitty character portrayal. And still, Harps issue isn't that Clem isn't grim sometimes, but she seems to be grim all the time. I disagree, but that is his argument.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 6:01:55 GMT
I'd say that blackmailing someone is pretty much just threatening them and Lee has had the option to threaten people who haven't deserved it. And the other dialogue options didn't strike me as being grim. You're going to need to be more specific with that claim. I think you're splitting hairs with the worrying thing. I'm pretty sure Clem actually says "I hope my arm doesn't get infected." In Episode 5, Lee had people supporting him and someone to fight for. There was a clear-cut goal for him: something to push him forward and make his struggle to stay alive worth it. As for Clem? The only person she's been with for the past 16 months was a cold, unemotional woman who lost her entire family and who may or may not secretly resent Clem for causing the death of her spouse. Now she is in all likelihood dead or if she's not dead, the chances of Clem meeting her again are astronomically low. Then she found a dog companion who immediately turned on her and inflicted a grievous wound. Then, when she finally thought she was safe, the group of people she found herself was still willing to let her suffer and potentially die with a huge open wound. She has no one and nothing to live for, but she has to go on or else the sacrifices that other have made for her sake will have been in vain. How can she not be grim? Yeah, and that's scumbag Lee. Do you like Scumbag Lee? And I don't mean did you laugh, or were you amused with scumbag Lee. Did you like him? No. Anyways, "I miss Lee." "That's what Omid said." Both of those are pretty fucking grim. I forget the third one, but I'm fairly sure it was just as grim. "I killed him." That's one more, just off of the top of my head.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 6:03:42 GMT
1) He said he never played it. 2) And... Uh... How does this relate to that paragraph? I don't know what you're arguing... Please, elaborate... 3) I know, I was blanketing a little bit. I just wanted to show you pretty much what happened. 4) Only a little bit. 1. Okay then. 2. Looking at it a second time, I realize I completely misunderstood your point. Ignore this. 3. Still, Dome covers my thoughts almost exactly. 4. ? 3. And as I said, I was blanketing a little. Not too much, though. All of the major emotions I covered. 4. I only slightly agree with the last sentence.
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Post by That Doom Guy on Feb 2, 2014 6:05:06 GMT
I'm gonna try to contribute to this argument (if that's what you wanna call it) Ok, so you don't like the fact that Clem is grim all the time? What's wrong with that? Honestly, if I was in her shoes I would be pretty grim too with all the shit going on. Realism kinda makes for shitty character portrayal. And still, Harps issue isn't that Clem isn't grim sometimes, but she seems to be grim all the time. I disagree, but that is his argument. Realism makes for shitty character portrayal? I disagree, secondly, her being grim all the time made sense in this episode, since nearly 90% of it was her being attacked by people, a dog, locked in a shed and forced to look for medical supplies. The only not grim part, was actually sad and that was when she was telling Luke her backstory.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 6:07:00 GMT
Realism kinda makes for shitty character portrayal. And still, Harps issue isn't that Clem isn't grim sometimes, but she seems to be grim all the time. I disagree, but that is his argument. Realism makes for shitty character portrayal? I disagree, secondly, her being grim all the time made sense in this episode, since nearly 90% of it was her being attacked by people, a dog, locked in a shed and forced to look for medical supplies. The only not grim part, was actually sad and that was when she was telling Luke her backstory. Then fuckin maybe ttg shouldn't have made it that way, is what I'm saying.
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Post by Michael7123 on Feb 2, 2014 6:07:30 GMT
I'd say that blackmailing someone is pretty much just threatening them and Lee has had the option to threaten people who haven't deserved it. And the other dialogue options didn't strike me as being grim. You're going to need to be more specific with that claim. I think you're splitting hairs with the worrying thing. I'm pretty sure Clem actually says "I hope my arm doesn't get infected." In Episode 5, Lee had people supporting him and someone to fight for. There was a clear-cut goal for him: something to push him forward and make his struggle to stay alive worth it. As for Clem? The only person she's been with for the past 16 months was a cold, unemotional woman who lost her entire family and who may or may not secretly resent Clem for causing the death of her spouse. Now she is in all likelihood dead or if she's not dead, the chances of Clem meeting her again are astronomically low. Then she found a dog companion who immediately turned on her and inflicted a grievous wound. Then, when she finally thought she was safe, the group of people she found herself was still willing to let her suffer and potentially die with a huge open wound. She has no one and nothing to live for, but she has to go on or else the sacrifices that other have made for her sake will have been in vain. How can she not be grim? Yeah, and that's scumbag Lee. Do you like Scumbag Lee? And I don't mean did you laugh, or were you amused with scumbag Lee. Did you like him? No. Anyways, "I miss Lee." "That's what Omid said." Both of those are pretty fucking grim. I forget the third one, but I'm fairly sure it was just as grim. "I killed him." That's one more, just off of the top of my head. The third one was "we need to get to Wellington." More matter of fact than anything else Also, I didn't choose "I killed him." I choose to have Clem feel like she caused lee's death by running away (I think that's what fitted her character best, and the other line 'the same thing that happens to everyone' is the grimmest of all in a way). She ended the conversation by saying, "sometimes people die because of me." Yeah, that's pretty fucking grim. I can't deny that.
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Post by That Doom Guy on Feb 2, 2014 6:08:18 GMT
Realism makes for shitty character portrayal? I disagree, secondly, her being grim all the time made sense in this episode, since nearly 90% of it was her being attacked by people, a dog, locked in a shed and forced to look for medical supplies. The only not grim part, was actually sad and that was when she was telling Luke her backstory. Then fuckin maybe ttg shouldn't have made it that way, is what I'm saying. Don't blame TTG, Blame Robert Kirkman and his genius universe. It's supposed to be grim most of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 6:09:47 GMT
Then fuckin maybe ttg shouldn't have made it that way, is what I'm saying. Don't blame TTG, Blame Robert Kirkman and his genius universe. That actually helps you in no way shape or form. Not being a dick, just saying. Once the comics get good, everything isn't super grimdark all the time. There are frequent moments of happiness between the dreary bits. After the governor, the comic is a lot less dumb and stupid and horrible.
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Post by That Doom Guy on Feb 2, 2014 6:11:24 GMT
Don't blame TTG, Blame Robert Kirkman and his genius universe. That actually helps you in no way shape or form. Not being a dick, just saying. Once the comics get good, everything isn't super grimdark all the time. There are frequent moments of happiness between the dreary bits. After the governor, the comic is a lot less dumb and stupid and horrible. That is a matter of opinion. Which is fine.
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Post by Michael7123 on Feb 2, 2014 6:13:26 GMT
Don't blame TTG, Blame Robert Kirkman and his genius universe. That actually helps you in no way shape or form. Not being a dick, just saying. Once the comics get good, everything isn't super grimdark all the time. There are frequent moments of happiness between the dreary bits. After the governor, the comic is a lot less dumb and stupid and horrible. Harp. A guy had a pet fucking tiger. That would be cool if the comics weren't trying to be realistic. I hate that part.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 6:13:50 GMT
That actually helps you in no way shape or form. Not being a dick, just saying. Once the comics get good, everything isn't super grimdark all the time. There are frequent moments of happiness between the dreary bits. After the governor, the comic is a lot less dumb and stupid and horrible. That is a matter of opinion. Which is fine. Have you read past the governor? Immediately after, Kirkman has some adjusting that he does, making one point super grim and dark out of nowhere, but he adjusts with some time. And now, there's happiness followed by sadness, followed by anger, followed by remorse... It's great.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 6:14:16 GMT
That actually helps you in no way shape or form. Not being a dick, just saying. Once the comics get good, everything isn't super grimdark all the time. There are frequent moments of happiness between the dreary bits. After the governor, the comic is a lot less dumb and stupid and horrible. Harp. A guy had a pet fucking tiger. That would be cool if the comics weren't trying to be realistic. I hate that part. Did I say it was realistic?
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