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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 0:24:20 GMT
That honestly is one of the biggest problems facing Season Four... they killed... everyone. Like, the lead writer seems like she's really smart and passionate about the project, Emily Grace Buck, the lead designer, just finished up on Batman Season Two which was phenomenal, and we're out of the shadow of Bruner so hopefully no more rewrites and delays... but even with all of that going for it, what is there even to build off of?
Thanks to them blowing up what was supposed to be Season 3 and then stitching it back together again in less than a month(I still honestly can't fucking believe that happened) Clem had been ruined as a character for most people. Hell, even the people who did have a "badass" Clem, they're probably disappointed she didn't remain that way bc Telltale did a total 180 on her initial characterization in ANF after all the negative feedback. So outside of the uncritical super fans, I don't know if anyone is still invested in Clem as a character. AJ has always been a weak plot device, so I doubt anyone cares all that much about Clem's mission to find him either.
Everyone from Seasons 1, 2, and 3 are dead or determinant with the exception of Javi, but the way his story ends there's not much chance we'll see him again. Plus, I feel like the uncritical super fans(the USFs, if you will) gave Telltale so much shit for making Javi the main character even though he was, in reality, the sole bright spot of Season 3 that they don't want to bring him back. So, we're pretty much going to have a completely new cast, which, idk, kinda takes a lot of the bite out of "The Final Season!", right? Like, we get to see where all of our favorite characters ended up!-oh no wait they're dead.
Yeah, I don't know, Enemy Within has been fantastic, and it seems like Telltale is getting better again as a studio, but I'm just not sure if TWD is salvageable at this point....
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Post by Crooked Christa on Mar 26, 2018 0:45:23 GMT
Honestly, I think they should've given up after Season 3. The hardcore Clem/TTG TWD fans are too cynical after ANF to be won over by a Clem-focused Season 4, and in the larger gaming audience, most people stopped caring as much after Season 1 or Season 2. Telltale should've just cut their losses after ANF.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 0:48:41 GMT
I think they didn't want to end on such a bad note, though. Also, maybe they're seeing it as like, as a chance to prove themselves moving forward? A shot at redemption? I mean, really I do think it comes down to whatever long-time employees are left after people left during the Bruner reign are really passionate about TWD as a series and didn't want to end on such a shitty note. (and a lot of them do realize how terrible ANF was, just look at Emily Grace Buck's tweets about how sometimes developers know that a bad product is going to be shipped, but it's out of their control and they're not in a position to shit-talk it. Like, I wonder what that could be referring to :P)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 0:54:28 GMT
Sidenote: how many good writers/designer/directors are left? I know Nicole Martinez is the lead writer on TWAU2, Emily Grace Buck is lead designer on TWDS4. I assume Eric Stripe is still working on Minecraft related stuff?(that's probably gonna be their cash cow to support more risky projects which, honestly, I don't mind that much, it's easy to ignore). Ryan Kaufman, the lead writer on GOTS1 is still around, right? Not a clue what he's working on. It looks like Nick Breckon was the lead writer on TWDS3 initially before they scrapped it and replaced him with Brad Kane, but is he still with the company or? James Windeler... Is he new? Because if so, then he's done a fantastic job on Enemy Within for an initial project, but I feel like he's been around for a while. I feel like Kent Mudle and Jason Latino are still with the company. Just, quietly directing episodes I guess. That one girl that went from a cinematics artist to director for the TFTB finale, is she still around?
God, this is the lamest, most creepy fan-girly thing, keeping track of a studios writers and directors. In my defense, I'm currently procrastinating to avoid writing a progress report for my Creative Writing Seminar...
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Post by jake frost on Mar 26, 2018 1:16:05 GMT
I assume Eric Stripe is still working on Minecraft related stuff?(that's probably gonna be their cash cow to support more risky projects which, honestly, I don't mind that much, it's easy to ignore). If they're doing another one, it's likely. Not sure because the end of S2 felt definitive and the IP itself might have been a Bruner thing they want to put behind them. Ryan Kaufman, the lead writer on GOTS1 is still around, right? Not a clue what he's working on. Still with them, possibly working on TWAU2 based on his twitter banner. A man can dream he's gathering up the GOT2 post it notes from behind a cupboard. It looks like Nick Breckon was the lead writer on TWDS3 initially before they scrapped it and replaced him with Brad Kane, but is he still with the company or? I think he's long gone. Possibly left after they scrapped his outline or something. James Windeler... Is he new? Because if so, then he's done a fantastic job on Enemy Within for an initial project, but I feel like he's been around for a while. Think his name first appeared during the later episodes of ANF. I feel like Kent Mudle and Jason Latino are still with the company. Mudle was working on Batman, but not sure what's next for him.
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Post by jake frost on Mar 26, 2018 1:20:18 GMT
Can we just start scapegoating Bruner for everything it's pretty clear he's a through and through cuuuunt
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 1:37:58 GMT
I assume Eric Stripe is still working on Minecraft related stuff?(that's probably gonna be their cash cow to support more risky projects which, honestly, I don't mind that much, it's easy to ignore). If they're doing another one, it's likely. Not sure because the end of S2 felt definitive and the IP itself might have been a Bruner thing they want to put behind them. lol you saw the end of MCSMS2? I bought the thing and I still haven't seen how it ends. Anyway, outside of however it ended, I guess it's likely it might be a holdover from Bruner that they're gonna drop now, but it seems like Stripe at least is super passionate about it, and honestly I think it'd be smart for them to continue milking that IP for cash while they re-establish their critical reputation and build back up an audience. And speaking of GOT S2, it's worth noting that the Verge article makes it seem like Telltale gave confirmation on still working on GOTS2 at some point. Also worth noting, if it comes out in, say late 2019, that would still be the same distance between seasons as between TWAUS1 and TWAUS2.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 3:41:59 GMT
So here's all the possible characters they got, starting with most likely to least likely:
Christa Lily Mike Arvo Bonnie The rest of 400 Days protagonists Vernon's make a wish foundation Nate Eddie Anybody else from 400 Days Omid Anybody still alive from season 3
Honestly, anybody below Bonnie is just definitely not happening. So we're stuck with every sourpuss that has ever been annoying in this series, minus Jane, plus Mike. Ugh.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 4:36:15 GMT
Oh yeah, the 400 Days cast...
...hm.
Honestly, wouldn't put it past them to bring back the rest of the 400 Days people to try and win people back over. I mean, can you imagine the buzz they'd get if in that teaser on April 15th it ends with Nate or someone showing up? Yeah. I think that might actually happen.
Ok, so, they're gonna have to pull out a whole bunch of nonsense excuses if they do this, but I do think they might try and bring back some of the fan-favorites from 400 Days, and probably Mike or someone since people liked him.
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Post by thatstoomuchfestivity on Mar 26, 2018 4:49:29 GMT
and probably Mike or someone since people liked him. Liked, past tense. If they do bring him back, hopefully there's a damn good redemption to rectify the inexplicable 180 the S2 writers made with him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 4:51:36 GMT
and probably Mike or someone since people liked him. Liked, past tense. If they do bring him back, hopefully there's a damn good redemption to rectify the inexplicable 180 the S2 writers made with him. tbh I get him wanting to get away from Kenny, and iirc he did briefly try to help Clem? Like, maybe say he ran bc he thought Kenny was gonna kill him? I don't know, I feel like I could forgive Mike if he showed up in Season 4. But, honestly, looking at who's left, Telltale would be real dumb not to try and bring at least a few of them back, no matter how nonsensical it would be.
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Post by thatstoomuchfestivity on Mar 26, 2018 5:03:25 GMT
Liked, past tense. If they do bring him back, hopefully there's a damn good redemption to rectify the inexplicable 180 the S2 writers made with him. tbh I get him wanting to get away from Kenny, and iirc he did briefly try to help Clem? Like, maybe say he ran bc he thought Kenny was gonna kill him? I don't know, I feel like I could forgive Mike if he showed up in Season 4. But, honestly, looking at who's left, Telltale would be real dumb not to try and bring at least a few of them back, no matter how nonsensical it would be. He's definitely redeemable, but that entire sequence was such a terribly constructed mess that it leaves so many open questions. There'd need to be a scene where Clem and Mike sit down and hash it out, and writers need to make it feel unforced, natural.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 5:04:19 GMT
tbh I get him wanting to get away from Kenny, and iirc he did briefly try to help Clem? Like, maybe say he ran bc he thought Kenny was gonna kill him? I don't know, I feel like I could forgive Mike if he showed up in Season 4. But, honestly, looking at who's left, Telltale would be real dumb not to try and bring at least a few of them back, no matter how nonsensical it would be. He's definitely redeemable, but that entire sequence was such a terribly constructed mess that it leaves so many open questions. There'd need to be a scene where Clem and Mike sit down and hash it out, and writers need to make it feel unforced, natural. Yeah, I definitely agree.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 5:07:53 GMT
I don't really think Mike did a whole 180. He starts to run off without her because he's worried that she'll tell Kenny about their plans. He doesn't take AJ because Kenny watches that kid like a hawk. Once Clem catches up to him though, he genuinely wants her to come along, but once arvo puts a bullet in her, Kenny and Jane, the two most terrifying insufferable assholes in that whole season, start coming after them with guns.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 5:12:26 GMT
Yeah, Mike was a cool guy through and through. I still think we need that scene like N8 said if he does show up again where he and Clem talk it through, but I'd personally find it real easy to forgive him.
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