Nice reference to Killing Joke in the background there. Pretty Sure ACE Chemicals is where he gets scarred originally in the comics.
Anyway, I went back on an alt-save file and got an ending with Villain Joker. Really surprised to find out that only 33% of players went with Villain Joker. I thought we were sorta in the minority here as far as most people getting the Vigilante ending.
(also just found out that if you Trust John, but then let Waller's people move in when it looks like he's going to betray you, you get a pretty significantly different version of the villain ending. Like, his whole "Justice is joke" speech to Bruce is pretty different. So, that's really cool)
E3: -Bribed Bullock -Defended and checked on Bane's thug -Told John to manipulate Harley -Didn't warn Catwoman -Didn't want a relationship with Selina, invited her into the Batcave though -Told Tiffany the truth -Sold out Selina. Bye Felicia!
And Tiffany has a suit. Dammit. Lucius wouldn't have wanted this. I thought she was just going to be this master hacker, not going out in the field endangering herself. Hopefully I'm wrong.
It does look like maybe she'll just be piloting the drone from a safe distance? idk, I kinda get the impression we might not even see her as "Batgirl" in the vigilante version of the episode. Not sure why exactly, just getting that impression.
I... just don't like her that much. I didn't trust her as well, considering I told the truth about what happened to Lucius and I pretty much acted like a 'villain' in the laboratory when they were getting the Phalanx Key or whatever. We weren't on good terms.
"Ever had a bad breakup? One of those where grief gives way to anger and sometimes even to thoughts of revenge? The most rational person can be prone to toxic behavior when she or he is hurting. And if that’s true of a rational person, what would Joker do?
That’s the question we asked ourselves when deciding where John Doe would go after his plunge off the bridge with Harley at the end of Episode Four. Throughout the season, it’s been clear how much Bruce means to John. Bruce was his close friend, his confidant, his idol. And then -- in John’s mind, at least -- Bruce completely betrayed him."
I think this is a really interesting take on the character. As much as I am looking forward to seeing John as a Vigilante, I'm also really excited for my alt playthrough with John as a villain.
"As the story progresses, one thing becomes clear: John Doe harbors a deep, almost obsessive admiration for Bruce Wayne, and for Batman. He looks up to us, and we exert our influence over him. Vigilante Joker, with his passionate desire to eliminate corruption from Gotham, evolves naturally out of this admiration. He’s what becomes of John if you instill him with self-confidence and ultimately trust him to do the right thing. Of course, being a costumed vigilante isn’t for everyone, and for John, it’s by no means the perfect fit. He wants so desperately to be a hero, just like Batman, but he can’t quite grasp what that really means.
This awkward incompatibility with the role he wants to fill defines Vigilante Joker and colors every aspect of his character. It’s like he’s trying on a suit that’s two sizes too big. His enthusiastic pronouncements about justice are his misguided interpretation of how a hero should talk. He’s built himself a Jokerrang and grapple, because no crime-fighting persona would be complete without the toys. And he’s given himself a name, one that all Gotham will remember, because, well, that’s just what vigilantes do.
Despite his naivety, it certainly seems that his heart is in the right place and that his desire for justice is real. The question, though, given his history of indulging his impulses, is whether he’ll cause more problems for Batman than he’ll solve. To answer that, you’ll have to play the episode. I cannot wait to see what you think."