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Post by wakemeup on Mar 28, 2018 9:40:54 GMT
Finished Vig path, will play villain later, but it was really good, whole season is 9/10 for me. A bit disapointed John becomes villain no matter what, but it was well made and their last scene together was very good, so whatever. I like how noone called who killed Riddler, but it actually made sense.
Harley Quinn works for the agency, but realises she's jsut a pawn.
Waller - Stalemate with her. What even are the other options?
Accepted Jim's apology and said I want us to work together again.
Catwoman still works for Waller, I didn't ask for her to be freed. Also she reallyy hates me now, wanted to strangle me for betraying her.
Became Tiffany's mentor
Hired Avesta, a good Catwoman replacement I fuckin love this Joker, remember when everyone was disapointed Tt is putting Joker in game?
Decided to keep being Batman, feels fitting for Bruce
Choices: saved Willy, why was that even a choice?
Took Tiffany with me to crime scene
Didn't hand over Joker to Waller, obviously. After credits scene was Bruce visting him in Arkham.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 9:47:24 GMT
Finished Villain Joker. I dunno that I'd say it was better, honestly. Vigilante stuck with me much more. Villain Joker is super well executed, and the TTG Batman lends himself super well to joker's brand of mind fuckery, but overall, it just felt like such a standard joker story. He causes people to betray Bruce, he exposes all the hateful things Bruce did and continues to do. In this ending, joker does some really cool shit concerning his relationship with Bruce, but John Doe doesn't get as much of a chance to shine as a default joker.
The only real thing I disliked in either version of this episode was the "You need me" speech. They just ripped that straight from other Batman works, when it just doesn't fit here. It fit with Heath Ledger because of the way that that particular Batman became obsessed with the downfall of the joker. He allowed the woman he loved to die because he was too busy trying to find "Justice" by beating joker to a pulp. He let Harvey Dent go on a killing spree because he was more concerned with his secrets than saving lives. He felt at home out thinking the joker. In that sense, Bale's Batman really did need joker. Meanwhile, this Batman either genuinely cared for joker, and hated beating him down, or felt responsible for allowing his tool to get out of control. Neither version of Batman here really wants to fight joker. Neither version here can deny their fault in the creation of the joker.
Watching Doe try and fail to be a good person was honestly much sadder, closer to the rest of the season in tone, and lived much deeper in the moral grey that Batman likes to inhabit than seeing just another twisted carnival game. The fight choreography was miles better in villain though. Alfred smashing John with a serving tray was hype af.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 14:11:43 GMT
Apparently I was the only one in existence who freed Selina.
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Post by o0HeaDShoT0o on Mar 28, 2018 14:27:01 GMT
Apparently I was the only one in existence who freed Selina. No, I did, too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 14:29:40 GMT
Apparently I was the only one in existence who freed Selina. No, I did, too. Welcome to the 0.1%.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 14:37:44 GMT
That's a glitch, if you check choices again under the extras menu it will show the real percentage.
Granted, the real percentage is like, 2.6%, so... yeah, idk what's up with that. I guess most people just really don't care about Catwoman?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 14:40:21 GMT
Finished Villain Joker. I dunno that I'd say it was better, honestly. Vigilante stuck with me much more. Villain Joker is super well executed, and the TTG Batman lends himself super well to joker's brand of mind fuckery, but overall, it just felt like such a standard joker story. He causes people to betray Bruce, he exposes all the hateful things Bruce did and continues to do. In this ending, joker does some really cool shit concerning his relationship with Bruce, but John Doe doesn't get as much of a chance to shine as a default joker.
The only real thing I disliked in either version of this episode was the "You need me" speech. They just ripped that straight from other Batman works, when it just doesn't fit here. It fit with Heath Ledger because of the way that that particular Batman became obsessed with the downfall of the joker. He allowed the woman he loved to die because he was too busy trying to find "Justice" by beating joker to a pulp. He let Harvey Dent go on a killing spree because he was more concerned with his secrets than saving lives. He felt at home out thinking the joker. In that sense, Bale's Batman really did need joker. Meanwhile, this Batman either genuinely cared for joker, and hated beating him down, or felt responsible for allowing his tool to get out of control. Neither version of Batman here really wants to fight joker. Neither version here can deny their fault in the creation of the joker.
Watching Doe try and fail to be a good person was honestly much sadder, closer to the rest of the season in tone, and lived much deeper in the moral grey that Batman likes to inhabit than seeing just another twisted carnival game. The fight choreography was miles better in villain though. Alfred smashing John with a serving tray was hype af. I kinda get your point about the "you need me" thing, but honestly I just loved the "I'm the villain of your dreams!" line, and the exchange between Bruce and Joker in the Villain path if you say, "You broke my heart, John" is one of the best Batman/Joker dialogues ever imo.
I definitely agree that Vigilante Joker is way more impactful, but I do like that there's a lot of depth and uniqueness to their take on Villain Joker as well. Did you go the whole time still treating him as a friend? If you do that, it leads to some of the best moments of either version of the episode.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 14:45:58 GMT
So there's five different ending for Tiffany. There's the Protegee ending, which I think most people here got. If you stay silent, she still becomes a vigilante, but promises that she'll stay out of Batman's way. So, like an anti-hero maybe? If you try to bring her to justice you straight up get a villain origin story with her leaping off the rooftop and escaping with the wingsuit.
The Agent Fox version of Tiffany only has one real ending where she leaves with the Agency, but you can try and reassure her, warn her of Waller, or say you'll bring her to justice. Doesn't significantly change anything.
If you have Waller arrest Tiffany in the Villain ending then a little notification appears saying that Tiffany's role in your story is over. That's about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 14:47:59 GMT
It's the scene after the fight on the GCPD rooftop when Joker's bomb explodes, Batman falls through the roof and gets impaled by a piece of rebar. Catwoman then comes in to help pull him out and he nearly bled to death.
Similar to near the end of the University chapter in TLOU where Joel got impaled by a piece of rebar fighting cannibals and Ellie helped pull him out while also nearly bleeding to death. ye this Oh. Funnily enough I actually thought of that scene from the Tomb Raider reboot where Lara gets stabbed by rebar :P But yeah, I totally get what you're saying, that was probably a deliberate homage to TLOU
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 16:14:38 GMT
Not gonna lie, John is probably my favourite version of the Joker.
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Post by wakemeup on Mar 28, 2018 18:02:46 GMT
Damn, villain path was great too, hard to say which was better, both were great.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 21:33:38 GMT
this is how i feel rn
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 0:18:51 GMT
Important question for the forum:
Selina or Iman?
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Post by Niccc on Mar 29, 2018 0:20:06 GMT
IMAN <33333333333
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 0:29:34 GMT
Important question for the forum: Selina or Iman? Baelina
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