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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 21:41:37 GMT
Really liked this first issue! Lots of intrigue already, and I really like how the two main characters play off of each other! I guess I don't have much else to say, just, really good first issue, and I'm excited to see where it goes next. Like, it's always a good sign when you're disappointed that it ended so soon and you just immediately want more, which is what happened to me when I was reading this. (the bandit(?) guy looks like Kyle Barnes from Outcast. Just a random thought )
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Post by Niccc on May 9, 2017 22:09:12 GMT
Goooood intro to characters. I like Finn and Karen(?) And yeah, I thought that little girl was Annie and maybe it is.
Nice to see you decided to have it take place in good ol' Nebraska, my state. Also... why did it say October 2008? Is that a typo?
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Post by Niccc on May 9, 2017 22:11:53 GMT
I dunno, I hear Nebraska's nice Called that shite
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Post by thatstoo2019man on May 9, 2017 22:32:09 GMT
the facial expressions are great, story's interesting Finn kinda seemed like a cunt
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Post by jake frost on May 9, 2017 22:55:09 GMT
Downloaded it, read it, and most importantly, liked it. This was a very good start. Nice intro to the characters, who we finally learn what their names are; There's the woman Karen, who seems like a moral type of gal, and then there's the man Finn, who seems like a hard-ass type of fella. And then they get jumped by a pipsqueak and a hooded stranger. Well, those two are certainly off to a great start. Really liking how this is going. Thanks, man! I'll follow up on the intro to the characters a bit later when I respond to Zyphon's post so I don't have to go over things twice, but I'm pleased you enjoyed it : D Fuckin' fantastic. I think I might already be more invested in this than New Frontier, lol.
Dude. I could have sworn that was Annie. I was waiting for the big reveal at the end. That this was suddenly just a continuation on your 400 Days fic. I would have flipped my shit. Being more invested than ANF was the plan - in a way this was made to get my (and my co-writers') fix after ANF turned out to be a disappointment, so I'm glad it appears to be working for other people. There's tons more to all of these characters. All of the things Karen and Finn have alluded to are 100% purposeful and we'll find out more about them soon - we're only scratching the surface right now. These dudes have some pretty hefty backgrounds XD
Also... flipped your shit in a good way or a bad way? Couple q's: where did you get your environments along the highway? Can you build those from scratch or is that pulled from No Going Back? Secondly, the kid's model looks influenced by 19-year old Ellie's look or am I crazy? The highway environment is re-textured from the one in No Going Back, made to look more autumnal, yeah. Added some trees, added in a fuckton of cars and stuff (there's a truck with the Forrester sigil on it for those with keen eyes) and went from there. Pretty much all of the model work in this series is made by cannibalising and re-purposing existing stuff (and praying no one recognises it).
As for the kiddo, I didn't actually draw up her design (again, that honour goes to my co-writer/director Peggyoung). We both had ideas of how we wanted her to look but I ended up liking her version more. I think mine might've had her with a beanie and longer hair, but I really liked the denim jacket and ponytail look. I can only guess she was inspired by Laura from Logan (with perhaps some influence from Ellie) be it consciously or otherwise. Really liked this first issue! Lots of intrigue already, and I really like how the two main characters play off of each other! I guess I don't have much else to say, just, really good first issue, and I'm excited to see where it goes next. Like, it's always a good sign when you're disappointed that it ended so soon and you just immediately want more, which is what happened to me when I was reading this. (the bandit(?) guy looks like Kyle Barnes from Outcast. Just a random thought ) We really wanted to establish the main duo before introducing anyone else, and I like to think we succeeded - be it by giving lots of background (Karen), or next to none at all (Finn) -- because even though we don't know much about Finn (yet) he does cryptically allude to stuff and make snide comments.
I think it comes from introducing characters in twos like Season 1 & 2 did. Nick and Pete play off and characterise each other, and that's what we tried with Finn and Karen. Finn's a pessimist and Karen's an optimist, so they're foils for one another, but there's something that keeps them together and we're not aware of what it is yet, so there's something (hopefully) pulling the reader in. Goooood intro to characters. I like Finn and Karen(?) And yeah, I thought that little girl was Annie and maybe it is.
Nice to see you decided to have it take place in good ol' Nebraska, my state. Also... why did it say October 2008? Is that a typo?
Hopefully it actually looks something like Nebraska -- I ought to do more research before making any more environments so it looks right. Surely forests and stuff aren't uncommon, though, right? Plus IIRC Nebraska is seriously field-y.
As for the timeline, we're going off of the comics, and as they were first released in 2003, it makes sense the story originally started around that time in-universe too (even if we're 14 years along IRL). That's actually something the game gets wrong (particularly TWDM with its passports stating Sam was born in 1992).
I don't think there's actually an 'official' year the comics took place in but I went with the most likely option because I wanted to give people a clear and concise date (aka "Hi this is 5 years in and here's your benchmark for technology and stuff"). the facial expressions are great, story's interesting Finn kinda seemed like a cunt Guy's got his reasons, but yeah he is a bit of a dick.
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Post by Hunter1324 on May 9, 2017 22:58:34 GMT
I've almost have a heart attack when I saw how heavy the text file was, I thought it was going to be solid text and I ain't got time for that now . It's been quite intriguing so far, I won't speculate much for now but this deffinitively is shaping up to be yet another hit.
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Post by jake frost on May 9, 2017 23:01:49 GMT
Also shit... Does anyone remember during Niccc 's ANF Ep4 stream when I accidentally called Kate "Karen"? Freudian slip.
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Post by jake frost on May 9, 2017 23:14:15 GMT
I dunno, I hear Nebraska's nice Called that shite Yeah I was like "what the actual FUCK" when I saw this was like you... second guess.
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Post by Niccc on May 9, 2017 23:40:40 GMT
Goooood intro to characters. I like Finn and Karen(?) And yeah, I thought that little girl was Annie and maybe it is.
Nice to see you decided to have it take place in good ol' Nebraska, my state. Also... why did it say October 2008? Is that a typo?
Hopefully it actually looks something like Nebraska -- I ought to do more research before making any more environments so it looks right. Surely forests and stuff aren't uncommon, though, right? Plus IIRC Nebraska is seriously field-y.
As for the timeline, we're going off of the comics, and as they were first released in 2003, it makes sense the story originally started around that time in-universe too (even if we're 14 years along IRL). That's actually something the game gets wrong (particularly TWDM with its passports stating Sam was born in 1992).
I don't think there's actually an 'official' year the comics took place in but I went with the most likely option because I wanted to give people a clear and concise date (aka "Hi this is 5 years in and here's your benchmark for technology and stuff"). Eh, haven't seen too much of Nebraska (in this) but forests are definitely not uncommon, there's a lot of them. And yes, there's a lot fields. Just curious, what city in Nebraska would you say it takes place in, or is it outside of a certain city? Right, forgot that 2003 was pretty much the supposed start of the apocalypse. Just as 2010 was for the TV show
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Post by Niccc on May 9, 2017 23:41:14 GMT
Yeah I was like "what the actual FUCK" when I saw this was like you... second guess. I mean, come on, you know I'm a Nebraskan so you had to figure I was going to mention it
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Post by jake frost on May 10, 2017 0:11:51 GMT
Hopefully it actually looks something like Nebraska -- I ought to do more research before making any more environments so it looks right. Surely forests and stuff aren't uncommon, though, right? Plus IIRC Nebraska is seriously field-y.
As for the timeline, we're going off of the comics, and as they were first released in 2003, it makes sense the story originally started around that time in-universe too (even if we're 14 years along IRL). That's actually something the game gets wrong (particularly TWDM with its passports stating Sam was born in 1992).
I don't think there's actually an 'official' year the comics took place in but I went with the most likely option because I wanted to give people a clear and concise date (aka "Hi this is 5 years in and here's your benchmark for technology and stuff"). Eh, haven't seen too much of Nebraska (in this) but forests are definitely not uncommon, there's a lot of them. And yes, there's a lot fields. Just curious, what city in Nebraska would you say it takes place in, or is it outside of a certain city? Right, forgot that 2003 was pretty much the supposed start of the apocalypse. Just as 2010 was for the TV show We don't have an exact place as we don't want to get an exact place's appearance wrong, but it's definitely near the southern border of the state.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 0:48:28 GMT
I love this. Stronger characterization in 120ish panels than ANF had in like 4 hours of content. Only thing I disliked was the format. I really really disliked the format. Scrolling down and seeing these big shots with so much empty space feels really tedious. Maybe you guys should mess with panelling in the future, like a full on comic. Would be more readable than this crazy amount of wasted space. Anyways, onto my opinions: Somewhat disappointed that Finn didn't just cap the little girl, lol. He did the classic villain thing, spending way too much time talking about killing her, without actually doing it.
I think I'm going to enjoy Finn once I figure out what his deal is, since I have a soft spot for total dickheads (see Nick, Ludin, Lilly, Larry, Handsome Jack, Vazquez, August, and Gared's dickhead friend in Thrones before he became irrelevant) but for now, he's just a total dick.
Karen seems pretty layered, and there's some intrigue with her family ("You look familiar"), but her writing was just a bit too on the nose imo.
In fact, if I had one criticism to level at the writing, it'd be that it seemed pretty on the nose. Like "I hate optimists" just rubbed me the wrong way a little bit. Seemed a bit too tell-don't-show, if you catch my drift.
All in all, though, I loved the strong characterization, clear direction, and am super excited for the next one. Keep it up!
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Post by jake frost on May 10, 2017 2:04:18 GMT
I love this. Stronger characterization in 120ish panels than ANF had in like 4 hours of content. Only thing I disliked was the format. I really really disliked the format. Scrolling down and seeing these big shots with so much empty space feels really tedious. Maybe you guys should mess with panelling in the future, like a full on comic. Would be more readable than this crazy amount of wasted space. Anyways, onto my opinions: Somewhat disappointed that Finn didn't just cap the little girl, lol. He did the classic villain thing, spending way too much time talking about killing her, without actually doing it.
I think I'm going to enjoy Finn once I figure out what his deal is, since I have a soft spot for total dickheads (see Nick, Ludin, Lilly, Larry, Handsome Jack, Vazquez, August, and Gared's dickhead friend in Thrones before he became irrelevant) but for now, he's just a total dick.
Karen seems pretty layered, and there's some intrigue with her family ("You look familiar"), but her writing was just a bit too on the nose imo.
In fact, if I had one criticism to level at the writing, it'd be that it seemed pretty on the nose. Like "I hate optimists" just rubbed me the wrong way a little bit. Seemed a bit too tell-don't-show, if you catch my drift.
All in all, though, I loved the strong characterization, clear direction, and am super excited for the next one. Keep it up! Fair criticism all round -- it's good to get this early on so we can improve on how we script stuff within the next couple of issues. I'll see what I can do in regards to format; Issue 2 will be the same as this one, but as Issue 3 isn't finished yet I'll try and get rid of those massive white gaps in the pages, maybe by having three panels in one page or something. I just don't want to risk making the dialogue unreadable (for reference I did play about with speech bubbles but it was a bit jarring on top of this telltale-esque style). There's two ways to look at why Finn didn't shoot the girl in the head: A), he didn't have any bullets like Karen or B) he's a bit like Nick in that he comes off as a dick but is actually putting up a front. We'll find out how his head works when he's more open, as in this one he's very closed off while Karen's quite open (the contrast I expect plays a little bit into the on-the-nose dialogue). To be honest, if a not-exactly-ideal format and the characterisation being a bit on-the-nose are the biggest criticisms, I'm happy with how things turned out -- I'll look into fixing up those things in the next issue I make (Which would be 3).
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Post by sos on May 10, 2017 2:21:09 GMT
Also... flipped your shit in a good way or a bad way?
Good way. I loved the shit out of ITF. It'd definitely be cool to see how Annie grows up in this world and where she ends up. Though, I will admit this would have been a bit of a Clementine in New Frontier type of jump for her.
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Post by jake frost on May 10, 2017 2:44:41 GMT
Also... flipped your shit in a good way or a bad way?
Good way. I loved the shit out of ITF. It'd definitely be cool to see how Annie grows up in this world and where she ends up. Though, I will admit this would have been a bit of a Clementine in New Frontier type of jump for her. I mean it all depends on consistency of characterisation. Clementine changes ridiculously between games - being an innocent child to a pre-teen who still feels remorse to an straight up murderer (and kind of an asshole). I can't see Annie murdering someone over batteries, but I can see her actions being influenced by those she surrounds herself with. For example, if she happened to be hanging around a bandit she might learn a couple things to help her put up a front, but still falters if someone puts a gun in her face because of... previous encounters with gunmen... It is Annie and I'm shocked no one picked it up immediately given the resemblance.
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