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Post by Niccc on Nov 17, 2016 21:57:26 GMT
Looks pretty awesome, honestly. I'm just annoyed that Harvey Dent becomes two-face either way, and I seriously doubt our choices will start to matter this episode, but maybe next episode.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 2:41:16 GMT
I really hope this bit in Arkham is just showing us that these villains exist for possible future seasons, but none of them will be part of this season.
Here's where I'm at right now with this series:
This is probably the best version of Bruce Wayne I've seen in pretty much any Batman thing. As a character, Bruce is great. Good versions of Alfred and Gordon. A lot of this stuff is really solid, and as the groundwork for a Telltale Batman universe, or even a Telltale DC Universe. Good stuff.
Choices, for the most part. Pretty good. It recognizes if you gave the evidence to Vicki or Gordon. Your level of violence really does affect how Gordon thinks of you. From what I've seen, there is at least somewhat of a margin for how "Two-Face-y" Harvey acts based on the whole Selina/Harvey thing. And the fact that Selina views her relationship with Bruce differently based on that choice, too.
Thing is, I feel like those choices don't go far enough. Yes, Gordon disapproves of Bats if he's violent, but still installs the Bat-signal. Yeah, Selina doesn't value her relationship with Bruce much if you don't save her, but she'll still have sex with him. Yes, Harvey isn't AS "Two-Face-y" if you save him, but he's still a bit "Two-Face-y". It needs to go beyond just curt recognition with no real consequences. I think that's my biggest issue with the series right now. There's still a chance as far as the whole Harvey/Two-Face thing, but honestly, I'm not holding out much hope. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he doesn't become Two-Face, but I'm not really holding out hope.
It won't kill the series for me if choices don't have consequences, but it'll keep it from being a truly great Telltale series. Because at least for me, everything is going well. I mean, it's not TWD S1, TWAU, or TFTB level, but it's solid ground for future stuff.
Oh, and as far as villains: Penguin is actually a really good villain. I get his motivation, he's entertaining on screen, and he's just a really cool villain. We've see how they handle Lady Arkham, but I can see where it could go. Vicki is after the truth, and so she wants to expose the Waynes. It could honestly be an interesting reversal of her character. Her constantly seeking out the truth, no matter what, is always spun as a positive thing, but here, it's turned her into a villain because it's gone too far. There's potential there... I don't know how it will work out, but it could be good. And Two-Face... well, I'm hoping for me Harvey won't become Two-Face, but for full-on Two-Face, that's still interesting. Right now, Scott Snyder is doing a Two-Face storyline in All-Star Batman that has Two-Face trying to make everyone around him act on their darker side. It's hard to explain briefly, but it's a really interesting take on the character. I think this could be, too, if I ever go back on a different save and have him go full Two-Face. He's still trying to do something good. The Two-Face side of him is just a very forceful side of his own personality that's corrupting the good he wants to do. Could be interesting, I just wish it wasn't something everyone had to deal with.
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Post by sos on Nov 18, 2016 3:45:25 GMT
WE NEED TO MAKE VICKI VALE GREAT AGAIN
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 11:29:10 GMT
It recognizes if you gave the evidence to Vicki or Gordon. Your level of violence really does affect how Gordon thinks of you. Not for me, the only remotely violent choice I've done is visiting the mayor as Batman and Gordon wont shut up about how violent I'm being.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 13:59:14 GMT
It recognizes if you gave the evidence to Vicki or Gordon. Your level of violence really does affect how Gordon thinks of you. Not for me, the only remotely violent choice I've done is visiting the mayor as Batman and Gordon wont shut up about how violent I'm being. Well for me he said that Batman is a hero. I've seen on YouTube where he says that bats is on shaky ground with him, and then a third option where he says he regrets ever making a deal with bats.
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Post by Autobot Sonic Part II on Nov 18, 2016 14:25:00 GMT
I really hope this bit in Arkham is just showing us that these villains exist for possible future seasons, but none of them will be part of this season. Same. What I'm hoping is that what'll happen is that somehow Bruce works with Joker and the other wards of Arkham to escape the asylum, then just wrap up Oz and Harvey's stories in Ep. 4, wrap up Vicki in Ep. 5, and then possibly as a season 2 tease, have Joker come in as like a last minute twist at the end of Episode 5.
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Post by Autobot Sonic Part II on Nov 18, 2016 21:34:33 GMT
For those who don't know, Telltale just revealed that Joker is being voiced by a new actor named Anthony Ingruber. He doesn't really have any voice over work in his past (or ANY acting to that matter really), but he sounds interesting. I still wish we could've got Mark Hamill or hell, even a distorted Troy Baker to voice him based off how well he did as him in Arkham Origins, but this'll be fine.
Actually...what if in this, Joker isn't real? Think about it, Telltale's version of Joker looks FAR younger than many other iterations of him (compared to Arkham and Dark Knight versions, and mmaaayyybbeee younger than Suicide Squad's version), almost about the same age as Bruce. Further more, in MOST Batman stories, Joker is a direct result of Batman scaring the Red Hood to fall into the chemical vial which turns him into Joker, but in Telltale's Batman, Joker already exists, and Bruce doesn't even know about him.
Furthermore, in the trailer when Bruce is in the Bat Cave with Alfred, Bruce has a light stubble on his face, meaning he's gonna be spending quite some time in Arkham (I'd say a month at most.) What if, during that time in Arkham, Bruce starts hallucinating the Joker, and it kinda ends up like Arkham Knight's take on Joker?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 22:13:07 GMT
Am I the only one that thinks the Joker looks awful? He looks like a kid hopped up on sugar.  Look at him. Then look at the literal first result you get from searching "Sugar high" on google images:  He doesn't look scary, or intimidating, like The Dark Knight's Joker:  He doesn't look goofy, like the 60s Joker:  Shit, he doesn't even look weird and crazy like Suicide Squad's Joker:  He's just...  They really should've taken a page or two from Arkham Asylum:  That's a Joker I can get behind.
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Post by Niccc on Nov 19, 2016 1:04:21 GMT
Yeah, the Joker looked pretty stupid with that humongous grin after "THIS IS GOOD TELEVISION!"
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Post by Autobot Sonic Part II on Nov 19, 2016 4:25:51 GMT
I think it's just the lack of make-up and lipstick that's throwing me off. Sure he doesn't look that appealing compared to the others, but given time I think I could get used to it...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 3:30:51 GMT
Nah. It's just a bad design.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 17:57:22 GMT
Not really a fan of his design, I agree. Maaaaybe that'll change in Season two(?) when he probably breaks out of Arkham or whatever and gets a more classic purple suit look or something. I don't know. I do like the voice actor, from what's in the trailer.\
I don't know, either way, not enough to make a call. I will say, I'm ultimately disappointed they included him at all. :/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 18:02:18 GMT
Special note: Players will leave this episode in very different places depending on where they choose to go in the third act, and this will greatly affect their story rolling into the season finale as well.Just noticed THIS little gem. Lol.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 18:06:48 GMT
Honestly I'll be more pissed if it ends up being true. Like, if the choice that determines if Harvey fully becomes Two-Face is if you saved him in Episode 3 or not. Because that would be bullshit. Seriously, if Harvey still becomes Two-Face for me because of that, even though I stopped Penguin from disfiguring him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 18:08:35 GMT
I do have to say though, after playing through the episode again, I'm kind of okay with where they went with Harvey in Episode 3. Don't get me wrong, it would have definitely been better if you could outright avoid the fight scene and not have him talking to the Two-Face personality at all, but there's enough consequence in Episode 3 that I at least feel my choice had some kind of affect. Honestly, it seems to have more of an impact on the Catwoman relationship, which is disappointing for me because I kept Bruce and Selina's relationship platonic.
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