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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 18:31:28 GMT
So... yeah, that’s my thoughts on Detroit: Become Human. Quanticdream is clearly a studio with a lot of talented developers and resources, and I really wish someone other than David Cage was in charge of it... This game clearly demonstrates that Cage is the source of all their problems, it does almost everything right except for it's attempt at social commentary and certain akward story moments which they butcher, both of which just scream David Cage. I do feel like I like the game a lot more than you solely because I can look past the cringy forced social commentary and handful of David Cage moments and just see it as an entertaining story with choices that actually matter. Also whoever decided to add that part where you walk around looking for symbols in a semi open street as Markus needs to re-evaluate their life. Holy fuck that nearly put me to sleep. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 18:33:25 GMT
Also considering doing a run where I kill off both Markus and Kara early on just to test how much it actually branches if you fuck up that badly.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 18:38:49 GMT
So... yeah, that’s my thoughts on Detroit: Become Human. Quanticdream is clearly a studio with a lot of talented developers and resources, and I really wish someone other than David Cage was in charge of it... This game clearly demonstrates that Cage is the source of all their problems, it does almost everything right except for it's attempt at social commentary and certain akward story moments which they butcher, both of which just scream David Cage. I do feel like I like the game a lot more than you solely because I can look past the cringy forced social commentary and handful of David Cage moments and just see it as an entertaining story with choices that actually matter. Also whoever decided to add that part where you walk around looking for symbols in a semi open street as Markus needs to re-evaluate their life. Holy fuck that nearly put me to sleep. Yeah, I fully admit if I hadn’t been so put off by Kara’s story in the beginning, I probably would’ve liked it a lot more. Though I do think it’s not helpful or good from a critical perspective to separate theme from plot, but on a personal enjoyment level, yeah, ignoring the themes is probably the best decision. Although I’m assuming you didn’t get the ending where Kara, Alice, and Luther get captured and have to survive a literal concentration camp bc in that case it’s really hard to ignore the social commentary which is just astronomical levels of cringe(mixed with some actually clever ideas which is just super frustrating). Basically, Detroit: Become Human is yet another victim of my Literature degree |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 18:43:54 GMT
This game clearly demonstrates that Cage is the source of all their problems, it does almost everything right except for it's attempt at social commentary and certain akward story moments which they butcher, both of which just scream David Cage. I do feel like I like the game a lot more than you solely because I can look past the cringy forced social commentary and handful of David Cage moments and just see it as an entertaining story with choices that actually matter. Also whoever decided to add that part where you walk around looking for symbols in a semi open street as Markus needs to re-evaluate their life. Holy fuck that nearly put me to sleep. Yeah, I fully admit if I hadn’t been so put off by Kara’s story in the beginning, I probably would’ve liked it a lot more. Though I do think it’s not helpful or good from a critical perspective to separate theme from plot, but on a personal enjoyment level, yeah, ignoring the themes is probably the best decision. Although I’m assuming you didn’t get the ending where Kara, Alice, and Luther get captured and have to survive a literal concentration camp bc in that case it’s really hard to ignore the social commentary which is just astronomical levels of cringe(mixed with some actually clever ideas which is just super frustrating). Basically, Detroit: Become Human is yet another victim of my Literature degree I got that ending, and yeah it's awful, when I changed the choice to make Connor a deviant instead of stay a machine I very nearly left Luther behind just to avoid getting it, but decided I wanted everyone to live soooo I had to sit through that shit again and it was just as painfully hamfisted and cringey the 2nd time round. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 18:49:26 GMT
Yeah, I fully admit if I hadn’t been so put off by Kara’s story in the beginning, I probably would’ve liked it a lot more. Though I do think it’s not helpful or good from a critical perspective to separate theme from plot, but on a personal enjoyment level, yeah, ignoring the themes is probably the best decision. Although I’m assuming you didn’t get the ending where Kara, Alice, and Luther get captured and have to survive a literal concentration camp bc in that case it’s really hard to ignore the social commentary which is just astronomical levels of cringe(mixed with some actually clever ideas which is just super frustrating). Basically, Detroit: Become Human is yet another victim of my Literature degree I got that ending, and yeah it's awful, when I changed the choice to make Connor a deviant instead of stay a machine I very nearly left Luther behind just to avoid getting it, but decided I wanted everyone to live soooo I had to sit through that shit again and it was just as painfully hamfisted and cringey the 2nd time round. You had Connor stay as a machine the first time through? Interesting. I guess I’ll want to play through that myself at some point. Anyway, you know saving Luther doesn’t mean you have to be captured, right? Play dead and stay still during the Jericho Raid, and then find Luther in the city and don’t get caught escaping with him. After that, whatever you do, you gotta find a way to get on the bus, there are a few ways to do it, I guess. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 18:55:14 GMT
I got that ending, and yeah it's awful, when I changed the choice to make Connor a deviant instead of stay a machine I very nearly left Luther behind just to avoid getting it, but decided I wanted everyone to live soooo I had to sit through that shit again and it was just as painfully hamfisted and cringey the 2nd time round. You had Connor stay as a machine the first time through? Interesting. I guess I’ll want to play through that myself at some point. Anyway, you know saving Luther doesn’t mean you have to be captured, right? Play dead and stay still during the Jericho Raid, and then find Luther in the city and don’t get caught escaping with him. After that, whatever you do, you gotta find a way to get on the bus, there are a few ways to do it, I guess. I stayed a machine because becoming Deviant is the most cliched thing in existence, though he gets a MUCH better ending if you make him a Deviant. As for saving Luther, I played dead, didn't get caught doing the stealth bit but then she says she needs a weapon and the only thing there is a brick, and when I go to hit the dude he just turns round and gets me, guess I wasn't walking slow enough? |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 18:56:25 GMT
You had Connor stay as a machine the first time through? Interesting. I guess I’ll want to play through that myself at some point. Anyway, you know saving Luther doesn’t mean you have to be captured, right? Play dead and stay still during the Jericho Raid, and then find Luther in the city and don’t get caught escaping with him. After that, whatever you do, you gotta find a way to get on the bus, there are a few ways to do it, I guess. I stayed a machine because becoming Deviant is the most cliched thing in existence, though he gets a MUCH better ending if you make him a Deviant. As for saving Luther, I played dead, didn't get caught doing the stealth bit but then she says she needs a weapon and the only thing there is a brick, and when I got to hit the dude he just turns round and gets me, guess I wasn't walking slow enough? Huh, yeah that’s weird, I did the same thing and it worked for me. |
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Post by Zeruis on May 27, 2018 20:45:07 GMT
I'll give David Cage one thing.
The chase scene with Connor was some of the most hypest shit I've experienced in a video game for a long while.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 21:37:12 GMT
can you put the things in a spoiler because i wanna buy this for myself someday
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 22:09:13 GMT
I’m keeping my spoilers incredibly vague, no overt references to specific plot points, but if you want I can spoiler tag them.
Ok, for as much as I think the story structure is well-paced, the pacing of individual chapters and sections of interactivity is terrible. There’s just so much tedious nonsense that makes certain scenes a slog to play through and absolutely kills all sense of flow in cinematic language.
Think the really long walk through Detroit finding symbols as Markus, they could have had you do that yourself once or twice, and then just edit together a bunch of shots of Markus walking through the city finding the symbols. Give the player control again to introduce the pre-planning routes mechanic, and then switch back to more tightly edited cinematography. Not only does this cut down on the amount of tedious nonsense, it also makes a larger chunk of the story more visually appealing, as opposed to staring at a character’s back for long periods of time.
Like, a lot of scenes could’ve used this, like Kara doing chores, Markus doing chores, Markus exploring Jericho, etc. Keep extended interactivity where it is thematically relevant or makes sense for the pacing, like in Zlatko’s mansion or for most of Connor’s investigation scenes.
Even stuff like the opening walk through Detroit with Markus is fine bc it comes right after the hostage scene, so it’s an opportunity to calm down after an emotional high, but continue the slow pace for the next two chapters after that just makes the story really slow to start, which is especially noticeable on replays.
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Post by Niccc on May 29, 2018 10:04:02 GMT
Finished the game. Pretty sure I got the best ending aside from one thing -- North's death  ( As for the other stuff
Markus was a violent leader who killed sooo many humans. I also let Josh get killed since he was questioning my leadership. I let Simon die at the broadcast tower. And then North died in the final assault. RIP Bae. The assault ended up successful and Markus lived, even though he got shot like 17 times.
Connor became a deviant and joined up with Markus, going to Cyberlife and turning thousands of androids to the revolution, which caused the US Army to back the fuck off and let the androids have Detroit. My Connor's arc was pretty interesting. Connor nearly got put through an 'emergency exit' which probably would've resulted into Connor assassinating Markus in front of thousands of androids, but I just had to pull the D-pad up on some object and he didn't die. lol ok. My boy Hank lived and the post-credits scene we just shared a bro-hug. Fucking love Hank.
Kara headed to Canada with Alice and Luther. I sacrificed Jerry in order to go through, but why does that stop them from checking Kara, Alice and Luther's temperature. I had a few problems with Kara's storyline. The whole Zlakto shit was so stupid.
Anyways, it's without a doubt -- the best David Cage game because it's actually good. But it does have it fair share of stupid David Cage moments. He just makes cops and law enforcement absolutely fucking retarded. Also why was Young Hillary the president in this fictional world? And why was it a British actress doing a terrible American accent? Eh, whatever,
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 3:47:39 GMT
I still do kinda want to check out the violent Markus ending, and also actually see Kara, Luther, and Alice cross the border bc first time Luther died and second time they all got caught. |
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Post by o0HeaDShoT0o on May 30, 2018 4:22:01 GMT
I still do kinda want to check out the violent Markus ending, and also actually see Kara, Luther, and Alice cross the border bc first time Luther died and second time they all got caught. Okay. But, I should mention that there is a way to get all three across the border and without sacrificing anyone. When next in line, you have to make a decision on who to sacrifice (Yourself, Luther, or Jerry) before you get scanned. If the public opinion is "supportive", you can choose not to sacrifice anyone, which will lead to Kara begging the guy to let them through, he will see the peaceful protest on TV and allow you to cross the border. |
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Post by o0HeaDShoT0o on May 30, 2018 17:49:38 GMT
Hank says Connor was pissing him off with his coin, yet this old grump tries to do it just like his partner. HA!  |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 22:07:16 GMT
My main boi Critikal released a review which I pretty much completely agree with.
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