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Post by Crooked Christa on Sept 11, 2015 18:42:58 GMT
Already posted in the Ep 5 Borderlands thread by someone else, but I'm posting it here:
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Post by Zeruis on Sept 12, 2015 22:59:42 GMT
Just finished Ep5. I need to kill some assholes right now. RIP Asher. Fuck you Duncan, shouldn't have spared you.
Goddamn, either Asher dies 5 minutes after making it to Westeros and meeting his brother, or Rodrick dies right after overcoming his weakness and burning his cane. This is something you should've done at the FINALE, Telltale.
It's pretty much a given now that whichever brother lived in Ep5 will be offed by the end of the finale. If they're going to have a S2, there's no way Telltale is going to write an extra storyline for one of them.
And unless the North Grove contains a balefire bomb or a portal to Ironrath, Gared is useless and won't make any significant impact in the plot whatsoever.
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Post by Crooked Christa on Sept 13, 2015 0:12:29 GMT
Just finished Ep5. I need to kill some assholes right now. RIP Asher. Fuck you Duncan, shouldn't have spared you. Goddamn, either Asher dies 5 minutes after making it to Westeros and meeting his brother, or Rodrick dies right after overcoming his weakness and burning his cane. This is something you should've done at the FINALE, Telltale. It's pretty much a given now that whichever brother lived in Ep5 will be offed by the end of the finale. If they're going to have a S2, there's no way Telltale is going to write an extra storyline for one of them. And unless the North Grove contains a balefire bomb or a portal to Ironrath, Gared is useless and won't make any significant impact in the plot whatsoever. They could pull what they did with Asher in Ep 5, and just speed up the long period of time it took for him to return to Ironrath.
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Post by thatstoo2019man on Sept 13, 2015 0:21:43 GMT
inb4 Gared is Azor Ahai and he rides his ice dragon and kills all the white walkers and Whitehills
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 22:12:54 GMT
Can't be bothered to read through the whole thread, but interesting to see how a lot of people initially really liked/loved the episode. Seems like it was only later that opinion here kinda soured on it.
As it is, I still really liked it. It and Sons of Winter, and kiiiinda The Lost Lords were the only ones that didn't drag for me... er, which thinking about it, means on Episode 1 and 3 dragged, so, not the majority. Still, it holds up pacing-wise.
Asher's scenes are pretty cool even if all of his choices are ultimately pointless. The Bloodsong fight isn't as good as I remember, but talking to Amaya and The Beast was really cool.
The opening scene was also great, and pretty much all the Rodrik stuff outside of the traitor. Guess I'll get right into the traitor. So... Elissa being the traitor still would have been best. I don't know if that was the original plan, but even if it was originally Ortengryn, that would've been fine. Reducing it down to the Sentinel choice once again makes Duncan and Royland cease to feel like real people. Plus, it doesn't make sense for either of them to be the traitor. I still think the scene where Rodrik confronts Royland divorced of context to the rest of the episode is fantastic, but in the long-run, no, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Royland betrayed the house because Rodrik is weak... but... what? He's still loyal to Gregor/Asher... so... he betrayed... what? It just, there's no line of logic to follow there. He wants Asher to be the true Lord, but it seems like he was cool with Gryff ambushing and killing Asher... so... Also, if he truly was loyal to House Forrester in his own mind, why does he insist Rodrik spare him before telling him about Asher? None of it makes sense, and it doesn't make sense with Duncan either. Maybe even less so with Duncan given his friendship with Gregor and his whole connection to the North Grove storyline? But whatever, it's not so bad that it taints much else.
Mira's storyline is also garbage and as everyone has said the "planning to lie to Cersi in front of her guard" is monumentally dumb. Whatever though, she's gonna die.
The final scene is still great and I actually cried when Asher died. I didn't do that originally... so, I'm just gonna blame this on estradiol(oh boy my TWD replay should be fun).
Overall, I still think this is a great episode actually? I know opinion has soured on it, but I wouldn't even call this the worst episode. It's got two really bad scenes, and the traitor storyline kinda leaves a black mark on the season as a whole, but... I don't know, I still thought it was a pretty great episode. Good pacing, great dialogue, and a really powerful emotional punch at the end.
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Post by thatstoo2019man on Apr 3, 2018 22:32:47 GMT
One question, where the hell did the name Sons of Winter come from? Don't have a clue about the GoT universe, but it sounds like a name for the wildlings. Since you know, they live in the cold and snowy region. oh how cute, a cackman that didn't turn into full GoT trash yet and hasn't paid 30€ for a Longclaw back scratcher letter opener
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Apr 4, 2018 5:35:01 GMT
Can't be bothered to read through the whole thread, but interesting to see how a lot of people initially really liked/loved the episode. Seems like it was only later that opinion here kinda soured on it. As it is, I still really liked it. It and Sons of Winter, and kiiiinda The Lost Lords were the only ones that didn't drag for me... er, which thinking about it, means on Episode 1 and 3 dragged, so, not the majority. Still, it holds up pacing-wise. Asher's scenes are pretty cool even if all of his choices are ultimately pointless. The Bloodsong fight isn't as good as I remember, but talking to Amaya and The Beast was really cool. The opening scene was also great, and pretty much all the Rodrik stuff outside of the traitor. Guess I'll get right into the traitor. So... Elissa being the traitor still would have been best. I don't know if that was the original plan, but even if it was originally Ortengryn, that would've been fine. Reducing it down to the Sentinel choice once again makes Duncan and Royland cease to feel like real people. Plus, it doesn't make sense for either of them to be the traitor. I still think the scene where Rodrik confronts Royland divorced of context to the rest of the episode is fantastic, but in the long-run, no, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Royland betrayed the house because Rodrik is weak... but... what? He's still loyal to Gregor/Asher... so... he betrayed... what? It just, there's no line of logic to follow there. He wants Asher to be the true Lord, but it seems like he was cool with Gryff ambushing and killing Asher... so... Also, if he truly was loyal to House Forrester in his own mind, why does he insist Rodrik spare him before telling him about Asher? None of it makes sense, and it doesn't make sense with Duncan either. Maybe even less so with Duncan given his friendship with Gregor and his whole connection to the North Grove storyline? But whatever, it's not so bad that it taints much else. Mira's storyline is also garbage and as everyone has said the "planning to lie to Cersi in front of her guard" is monumentally dumb. Whatever though, she's gonna die. The final scene is still great and I actually cried when Asher died. I didn't do that originally... so, I'm just gonna blame this on estradiol(oh boy my TWD replay should be fun). Overall, I still think this is a great episode actually? I know opinion has soured on it, but I wouldn't even call this the worst episode. It's got two really bad scenes, and the traitor storyline kinda leaves a black mark on the season as a whole, but... I don't know, I still thought it was a pretty great episode. Good pacing, great dialogue, and a really powerful emotional punch at the end. The Maester was originally the traitor. The files said so and the lack of him in episode 6 also gives it away. Would have been predictable but it's better then nonsense. That being said the ending is mighty badass. Fantastic scene. I'm a sucky for the Last Stand cliche and this was a good version. Good use of music, being able to take down quite a few soldiers before dying. Pretty great. And both choices make sense. I remember many arguments on the TTG forum as to who made more sense to die. For me it's Asher since it fits George RR Martin's love of subverting classic storyarchs. That and I ain't letting Rodrik lose to Griff!
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Post by jake frost on Apr 5, 2018 4:22:23 GMT
To be honest I still think it's better for Asher to die.
He got himself exiled with rowdy behaviour, souring the opinion of him within the house (even Ethan is a bit iffy on him), but in his last moments he redeems himself and becomes a hero by saving Rodrik - who already 'died' once and it's kinda dumb for him to do so twice.
And then there's that sheer poetry of Asher coming all the way home to fall at the penultimate hurdle. It feels incredibly GRRM to me. But he at least gets the sellswords and Beskha to Ironrath, and indirectly saves Ryon by convincing Beskha to come with him, so he still does get a win even in death. On the flipside, what has Rodrik achieved in the plot from dying beyond prepping Ironrath for Asher? It feels like Asher is taking the final battle Rodrik deserves after being on the front line against Gryff and Ludd, finally healing to the point where he can fight.
Also Rodrik's episode 6 is just straight up better.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Apr 5, 2018 5:36:00 GMT
To be honest I still think it's better for Asher to die. He got himself exiled with rowdy behaviour, souring the opinion of him within the house (even Ethan is a bit iffy on him), but in his last moments he redeems himself and becomes a hero by saving Rodrik - who already 'died' once and it's kinda dumb for him to do so twice. And then there's that sheer poetry of Asher coming all the way home to fall at the penultimate hurdle. It feels incredibly GRRM to me. But he at least gets the sellswords and Beskha to Ironrath, and indirectly saves Ryon by convincing Beskha to come with him, so he still does get a win even in death. On the flipside, what has Rodrik achieved in the plot from dying beyond prepping Ironrath for Asher? It feels like Asher is taking the final battle Rodrik deserves after being on the front line against Gryff and Ludd, finally healing to the point where he can fight. Also Rodrik's episode 6 is just straight up better. My thoughts as well. George loves his subversions so it fits well. That and Griff wins if you choose Rodrik. Who the fuck wants him to win?
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