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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 3:37:52 GMT
Gryff's a fucking idiot and he would've blabbed about who the traitor is, so it could well be Ortengryn. Still think it's Elissa, though. I do as well, I'm just trying to make sense of that scene in the previews. Imagine if he's just receiving word from the Wall that Gared has killed a brother and deserted. Of course, Rodrik doesn't know about the North Grove.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on May 28, 2015 3:37:56 GMT
Also, the scene in the previews is probably Rodrik referring to Ludd, maybe? Ludd probably fucked them over, somehow... though... I doubt that Rodrik wouldn't be there for the exchange... so... Ludd kills Ryon before he even gets Gryff? Not likely... Since Duncan/Royland kills Ludd with zero hesitation, I think it's safe to say neither of them are the traitor. He could be talking about Ortengryn, but... I don't know, maybe TTG really did throw in that scene to make us think Ortengryn isn't the traitor. It's entirely possible that Gryff simply didn't know Ortengryn was working with the Whitehills, as Gryff was only sent there to cause problems and antagonize Rodrik, giving Ludd an excuse to attack. I honestly think Telltale put that scene with the Maester getting beaten to make you think he isn't the traitor. What was the point? It could've just be Gryff talking with his Whitehill soldiers, why put the Maester getting beaten? They put that scene there because Griff is an absolute prick, simple as that. He does what he wants, fucking asshole! I believe that scene was made to throw us off the trail of the maester, I still think it's him, its just Griff being a stupid little shit.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on May 28, 2015 3:39:19 GMT
Gryff's a fucking idiot and he would've blabbed about who the traitor is, so it could well be Ortengryn. Still think it's Elissa, though. I do as well, I'm just trying to make sense of that scene in the previews. I think your right, he is referring to Ludd, but it could be the actual traitor, but at this point, the list is really small. Never doubted Royland a bit, what little doubt I had for Duncan went away after this episode, and that leaves just the maester who I always thought was fishy, and Elissa.
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Post by thatstoomuchfestivity on May 28, 2015 3:41:27 GMT
Also, the scene in the previews is probably Rodrik referring to Ludd, maybe? Ludd probably fucked them over, somehow... though... I doubt that Rodrik wouldn't be there for the exchange... so... Ludd kills Ryon before he even gets Gryff? Not likely... Since Duncan/Royland kills Ludd with zero hesitation, I think it's safe to say neither of them are the traitor. He could be talking about Ortengryn, but... I don't know, maybe TTG really did throw in that scene to make us think Ortengryn isn't the traitor. It's entirely possible that Gryff simply didn't know Ortengryn was working with the Whitehills, as Gryff was only sent there to cause problems and antagonize Rodrik, giving Ludd an excuse to attack. Gryff's a fucking idiot and he would've blabbed about who the traitor is, so it could well be Ortengryn. Still think it's Elissa, though. I kinda wish Rodrik would've checked/confirmed himself to see if all the ravens really were dead.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on May 28, 2015 3:43:37 GMT
Gryff's a fucking idiot and he would've blabbed about who the traitor is, so it could well be Ortengryn. Still think it's Elissa, though. I kinda wish Rodrik would've checked/confirmed himself to see if all the ravens really were dead. So let me get this straight, I can see why Elissa does that if you told her about the traitor, but what if you don't? Does that scene make any sense? I know its to make absolutely sure that no news gets to Highpoint, but does it make sense?
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Post by thatstoomuchfestivity on May 28, 2015 3:47:34 GMT
I kinda wish Rodrik would've checked/confirmed himself to see if all the ravens really were dead. So let me get this straight, I can see why Elissa does that if you told her about the traitor, but what if you don't? Does that scene make any sense? I know its to make absolutely sure that no news gets to Highpoint, but does it make sense? It's probably for that reason, but it also makes it seem like she's taking too many matters into her own hands, and overcompensating on the coverup.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on May 28, 2015 3:48:21 GMT
On a slightly different subject matter, did anyone notice that Cotter the Potato Fucker said he was born near Hardhome? The place that is going to play a critical part in season 5? Just saying. Slightly different question, does anybody trust Cotter? I still do, he has rapidly become one of my favorite side characters, so glad to see the Potato Fucker nickname still remains.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 3:52:59 GMT
So let me get this straight, I can see why Elissa does that if you told her about the traitor, but what if you don't? Does that scene make any sense? I know its to make absolutely sure that no news gets to Highpoint, but does it make sense? It's probably for that reason, but it also makes it seem like she's taking too many matters into her own hands, and overcompensating on the coverup. Yeah, I can't help but feel everything's happening on her terms, exactly when she wants it. I don't doubt the whole traitor business is confined to Ludd, the traitor themselves and Gwyn who overheard about it. That explains Elissa's non-canon death, at least.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on May 28, 2015 3:57:02 GMT
It's probably for that reason, but it also makes it seem like she's taking too many matters into her own hands, and overcompensating on the coverup. Yeah, I can't help but feel everything's happening on her terms, exactly when she wants it. I don't doubt the whole traitor business is confined to Ludd, the traitor themselves and Gwyn who overheard about it. That explains Elissa's non-canon death, at least. True, seeing how I refused to tell Elissa about the traitor, I thought that was a fairly paranoid move she made, could have just tipped her hand, then again the maester has done a complete laundry list of strange things, so I still don't know.
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Post by Rock114 on May 28, 2015 3:58:02 GMT
On a slightly different subject matter, did anyone notice that Cotter the Potato Fucker said he was born near Hardhome? The place that is going to play a critical part in season 5? Just saying. Slightly different question, does anybody trust Cotter? I still do, he has rapidly become one of my favorite side characters, so glad to see the Potato Fucker nickname still remains. I don't trust the Potato Fucker one goddamn bit. When he revealed that the North Grove was real in Episode 3 he was waaaaay to shifty and vague. Finn is mah bruh to the end, he's the only guy I need. Cotter probably wants to use the North Grove to help the Wildlings overrun the wall or something.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on May 28, 2015 4:18:40 GMT
On a slightly different subject matter, did anyone notice that Cotter the Potato Fucker said he was born near Hardhome? The place that is going to play a critical part in season 5? Just saying. Slightly different question, does anybody trust Cotter? I still do, he has rapidly become one of my favorite side characters, so glad to see the Potato Fucker nickname still remains. I don't trust the Potato Fucker one goddamn bit. When he revealed that the North Grove was real in Episode 3 he was waaaaay to shifty and vague. Finn is mah bruh to the end, he's the only guy I need. Cotter probably wants to use the North Grove to help the Wildlings overrun the wall or something. Still need to know what on Earth it even is, and I still say there is an Ice Dragon there, not a person, a real dragon.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on May 28, 2015 4:20:49 GMT
Side note, I am beyond impressed by the lack of killing characters so far in Game of Thrones. Really the only major losses were in episode 1, with Gregor and Ethan buying the farm. Ever since then, things have been really quiet on the death front, and as a direct result, have gotten more attached to the characters. I think they are saving them for a massacre episode, perhaps 5 or 6, but even then, I don't think everybody is going to die. Man, this is such a far cry from TWD, which always had somebody die in every episode, such a breath of fresh air.
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Post by o0HeaDShoT0o on May 28, 2015 4:58:35 GMT
Anyone else notice the way Rodrik behaves depending on what we decide with Gryff? If you show mercy, he acts calm and rational. If you maimed Gryff, then Rodrik acts furious and vengeful.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 5:02:24 GMT
Anyone else notice the way Rodrik behaves depending on what we decide with Gryff? If you show mercy, he acts calm and rational. If you maimed Gryff, then Rodrik acts furious and vengeful. Yeah I noticed that. I maimed Gryff and knocked him out at the last choice and he was like "CONFINE DA WHITEHILLS TO TEH CELLAHS NO ONE GETS IN OR OUT!" I saw a diff playthrough he's like "Confine the Whitehills to the cellars. No one gets in or out."
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 5:15:15 GMT
CHRIST. It's even more deadly (and hilarious) with the Elite Guard there.
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