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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Jun 29, 2015 18:50:21 GMT
I'm just going to copy what I wrote on tumblr: Well, I’d been saying this since the beginning and was more and more sure of it with each bit of information we got on Season Two. The premiere cemented this. True Detective Season 2 is not True Detective. I honestly can’t figure out why this wasn’t just made into another show, rather than presented as the second season of an existing one, because it has almost nothing in common with the first Season. Characters: I think it’s pretty clear to see that S2 is taking a very different approach to the characters. S1 really only had 2 main characters, and only 3 that appeared regularly in more than one episode. In contrast to this, S2 has 4 main characters, and it appears just from the beginning that quite a few members of the supporting cast will be recurring characters. S1 focused on it’s characters. They narrated events, we got to see their personal moments, we knew what they were thinking. It was very personal. Almost from the first episode, the audience really knew Rustin Cohle and Martin Hart. S2 ditches the idea that the characters themselves are telling the story, and also ditches the very personal moments that S1 had. It’s a case of trying to place each of them in part of a larger picture. They aren’t the focus, and they aren’t at the center of things. My immediate thought is that the changing role of the characters is meant to match the change in setting. Now that we’re in a large city, they try to make things more distant and impersonal, which I could dig if the cinematography supported that. But it doesn’t. Instead, we have random shots of the city each time there’s a transition, and it seems the continued shots of highways are simply there because the director of Season One did that a lot. But, in Season One, it always showed Rust and Marty’s car, where they were going. It was, again, to drive that connection to those two characters.\ I would say that, perhaps the fact that it doesn’t track that characters is in support of this more lonely and distant focus on the characters, but it honestly seems more like the S2 director trying to copy the guy who worked on S1. At the moment, I don’t know what to think of most of these characters… Where I was immediately drawn to Rust and Marty in Season One, I just kind of feel neutral about pretty much everyone in S2. Ray Velcora is the most entertaining to watch. And despite me feeling kind of “meh” about most of the characters, the actors do a tremendous job. I just feel like i’m still trying to place who most of them are right now. Story: True Detective Season Two also seems to be a lot less focused with it’s story. It’s not until the end of the premiere episode that things start to become focused, and everything before that is just very confusing. Season One started with a clear thread that the story would follow, and allowed that to grab that audiences attention before it started branching out and becoming complicated. Things are already complicated in Season Two, and the attitude of the show seems to be saying to the audience, “sink or swim, but I’m going full speed ahead!”, so quite a lot of what happened was confusing, and it probably warrants being watches a second time. Overall: I’m sure it’ll get better. Even for a premiere episode, this wasn’t the greatest. And I highly doubt that it will ever compare to the first Season. Right now, it pretty much met my expectations… which is not a good thing. I’m waiting for it to surprise me in the next few episodes. Oh, and one final note; they need to get rid of the music guy. Seriously, what was up with the drums? Also, the new intro sucks compared to the old one. Looking back on this, I do want to say one thing: I should probably give the director some credit. Those shots of highways, where you can't see who it's tracking, yes it does fit the theme of distance and loneliness that we get from more characters, and from the absence of the narration. The choice of setting fits that, too. So, good job on that, it all fits to help present a theme of loneliness, distance, and chaos. But I still don't quite like it, and I don't think that them throwing us as the viewers into the fray like they did is excused by it being part of serving the theme. Sure, it may help you make your point, but it makes for an unpleasant and uncomfortable viewing experience. Now, I'd be willing to excuse that was well, Season One often did that, but they did it in a way that still kept to viewer intrigued. I think the biggest problem with the first episode is the lack of intrigue. Now, this is something that I can only say for myself, but for me, that was the ghost in the machine this episode. A complete lack of intrigue in what was going on. I felt the same way, a lack of intrigue or hell, even caring.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Jun 29, 2015 18:51:41 GMT
If you played a drinking game where you took a shot every time there was an aerial shot of L.A., I'm pretty sure you'd die from alcohol poisoning. Are they still doing the thing with the drums whenever there are those aerial shots? Like, what the fuck is that? It's the same guy doing the music for this Season, too, so I'm just kin of confused... That isn't just some music guy, that's T-Bone Burnett, the guy who does every Coen Brothers film music. He is fantastic, and the last season was clearly his work, he likes folk and country, and it fit for season 1. Now? I have doubts its the same person, sure the name says its him, but nothing is either as good or even sounds like his work. I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 19:31:28 GMT
Are they still doing the thing with the drums whenever there are those aerial shots? Like, what the fuck is that? It's the same guy doing the music for this Season, too, so I'm just kin of confused... That isn't just some music guy, that's T-Bone Burnett, the guy who does every Coen Brothers film music. He is fantastic, and the last season was clearly his work, he likes folk and country, and it fit for season 1. Now? I have doubts its the same person, sure the name says its him, but nothing is either as good or even sounds like his work. I don't know. Why would they say it's him if it wasn't? Regardless, the music for episode one was actively annoying.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 19:53:08 GMT
I'm not gonna stick around long, but I watched the first few episodes, and this is pretty fantastic. My only major issue with this show is that neither of the main characters are very likable at all. Marty is particularly awful and hypocritical, claiming at once to be a Christian, and yet being a cheating motherfucker, and also is EXTREMELY ignorant. Where as Rust really does not care about anyone, which is kinda offputting.
Regardless, at the same time, the protagonists are really the only characters I find interesting. The close second is the 2012 detectives, and that's only because they clearly know something we don't. Other than that, the characters are rather flat and not memorable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 20:00:51 GMT
I'm not gonna stick around long, but I watched the first few episodes, and this is pretty fantastic. My only major issue with this show is that neither of the main characters are very likable at all. Marty is particularly awful and hypocritical, claiming at once to be a Christian, and yet being a cheating motherfucker, and also is EXTREMELY ignorant. Where as Rust really does not care about anyone, which is kinda offputting. Regardless, at the same time, the protagonists are really the only characters I find interesting. The close second is the 2012 detectives, and that's only because they clearly know something we don't. Other than that, the characters are rather flat and not memorable. I actually really liked Rust pretty much from the start. Even though I still kind of hate Marty, by the middle of the season, they both become very compelling characters in their own ways.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Jun 29, 2015 20:35:43 GMT
That isn't just some music guy, that's T-Bone Burnett, the guy who does every Coen Brothers film music. He is fantastic, and the last season was clearly his work, he likes folk and country, and it fit for season 1. Now? I have doubts its the same person, sure the name says its him, but nothing is either as good or even sounds like his work. I don't know. Why would they say it's him if it wasn't? Regardless, the music for episode one was actively annoying. Which is why I have a hard time believing its him. It's probably just me coming to grips with a fantastic composer sucking, but it just doesn't seem right.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Jun 29, 2015 20:36:39 GMT
I'm not gonna stick around long, but I watched the first few episodes, and this is pretty fantastic. My only major issue with this show is that neither of the main characters are very likable at all. Marty is particularly awful and hypocritical, claiming at once to be a Christian, and yet being a cheating motherfucker, and also is EXTREMELY ignorant. Where as Rust really does not care about anyone, which is kinda offputting. Regardless, at the same time, the protagonists are really the only characters I find interesting. The close second is the 2012 detectives, and that's only because they clearly know something we don't. Other than that, the characters are rather flat and not memorable. It mostly stays that way, nobody else is really as interesting as the two detectives, but you won't really find that as a problem, its fine.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 1:01:39 GMT
Fuck off HBO. You did not just kill off the most interesting character. Nah, pretty sure he's alive.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 1:04:30 GMT
Some guy did a really great cover of the song from Season One:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 20:32:10 GMT
So... Velcoro isn't dead, is he? I mean, there are scenes from trailers and etc. That we haven't seen yet.
But uh... I'm really not sure how he could possibly still be alive.
And if they did kill Ray, then congrats HBO, you killed off the only character I cared about so far. Congratu-fucking-lations.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 5:42:46 GMT
Yeah, Velcoro isn't dead. I re-watched the scene. There's no blood. It's probably bird shot or something.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 3:12:07 GMT
Good episode tonight, not as good as the previous 2 but still good. Me thinks Paul had a sexual relationship with that one dude, which is hypcroticial cus he seemed like a homophobe during last weeks episode.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Jul 6, 2015 3:42:53 GMT
Good episode tonight, not as good as the previous 2 but still good. Me thinks Paul had a sexual relationship with that one dude, which is hypcroticial cus he seemed like a homophobe during last weeks episode. He clearly does, which is quite hypocritical, I think he is repressing it. Not that I care, he is still the weakest character with the least amount of screentime.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 5:28:46 GMT
Good episode tonight, not as good as the previous 2 but still good. Me thinks Paul had a sexual relationship with that one dude, which is hypcroticial cus he seemed like a homophobe during last weeks episode. He clearly does, which is quite hypocritical, I think he is repressing it. Not that I care, he is still the weakest character with the least amount of screentime. He did get more screentime then he has been getting this episode but he's still kinda boring.
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Post by sos on Jul 6, 2015 7:38:41 GMT
Clearly Riggins is gay or either submits to gay tendencies. The ED, the homophobic stuff, the encounter with his desert buddy. Gay. I want more of his character, 'cuz lemme tell ya...
I ain't buying Vince Vaughn. I'm a big VV guy. Think he's funny as fuck. I've even sat down and watched Fred Claus for fuck's sake. (That movie is almost 2 hours long. WHY?) I am not buying into him as a big, scary tough guy. He's doing his best, it just isn't happening.
Also sneaky Rachel McAdams is doing absolutely nothing. She's a chick that'll kick your ass, watch evidence porn and doesn't need no man. I need more than that. (I don't. Seriously, just have her in a bathrobe watching porn for the rest of the season, you won't hear a peep from me... at the most you'll hear random pleasurable moans.)
And they're running too much with the weirdness of the show. The opening scene was wacky. Season 1 was hella weird, but in that creepy, eerie, atmospherically good kind of way. Season 2 is just the what the fuck is going on kind of weird so far.
I don't dislike the show or the season. Nothing like that. But season 1 went through a time where it was brought up as a possible (albeit entirely ridiculous) candidate for best show of all-time even very early on, season 2 hasn't done much to warrant the same praise through three episodes. I mean, fuck, there's only five episodes left.
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