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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 7:04:35 GMT
But there would be more from the moment before he cut his leg off. i think we'll get an option to either cut it off or let him not cut it off,as for nick,well i dont know.it's probably unimportant so they'll probably die in episode 2 or 3.
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Post by Michael7123 on Jan 3, 2014 16:05:12 GMT
Nice, I have to admit though, I hope she does not become something... else, I would prefer, and I shit you not, I would prefer her dead then become no better then the things we fought in season 1, and whats to come in season 2. I completely agree. But I do think a lot of people are overreacting to some extent. WARNING: WALL OF TEXT INBOUND:I think we can all safely agree that Clementine has lost most - if not all - of her childlike innocence she displayed in season one. This is largely due to the fact that she is growing older, her time with Chirtsa, and the fact that a zombie apocalypse is occurring. The first point is self explanatory. People (hopefully) stop acting like children as they get older. Clementine is 11 now, so it would make sense that she isn't quite as child like as we saw her in season 1. Her time with Christa (post Omid) would have left a major mark on her too. Lee spent around 3-4 months with Clem. Christa spent around 16. Christa's bitterness would have rubbed off on Clementine to some extent. And besides she would be able to relate to the pain Christa was going through. She's lost everyone who has cared about her, her parents, Lee, and then Omid. Finally, the fact that the apocalypse is occurring would play a major role. She's been put in situations no child should ever be put through. She's seen people be killed. She has killed people herself (possibly the stranger and Lee, definitely caused Winston's death). She's probably going to be sawing off someone's leg next episode. She's been through a lot, and will keep going through a lot. Before you go any further, you kinda have to accept that Clementine can't really be treated like a child anymore. It's like Chuck said. "You have to consider her a living person, that's it." The lurkers aren't going to care if she's just a kid as they rip her to pieces. People who care about her age are probably going to be the exception, not the norm. The scavengers you fight at the start of the episode clearly didn't care. In spite of the fact that Clem's innocence is gone, that doesn't make her a bad person. That's what a lot of people don't seem to get. Clementine's moral code hasn't necessarily changed (it's up to the player at this point), but her outlook on life has. Look at all the adults in this world. I'll use Luke and Pete as examples. They are by no definition innocent. Having said that, they went out of their way to save Clementine's life, even though they had no attachment to her whatsoever. Clementine can still be the type of person who would do something like that. The fact of the mater is, the part of Clementine who would stand up for someone who left her to get eaten alive (Ben) is still there. Her good nature is up to the player. If they gave Clementine and ending along the lines of her holding up a child at gunpoint, regardless of the choices you made, it would be bad story telling on telltales part.
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Post by wakemeup on Jan 3, 2014 16:14:40 GMT
Nice, I have to admit though, I hope she does not become something... else, I would prefer, and I shit you not, I would prefer her dead then become no better then the things we fought in season 1, and whats to come in season 2. I completely agree. But I do think a lot of people are overreacting to some extent. WARNING: WALL OF TEXT INBOUND:I think we can all safely agree that Clementine has lost most - if not all - of her childlike innocence she displayed in season one. This is largely due to the fact that she is growing older, her time with Chirtsa, and the fact that a zombie apocalypse is occurring. The first point is self explanatory. People (hopefully) stop acting like children as they get older. Clementine is 11 now, so it would make sense that she isn't quite as child like as we saw her in season 1. Her time with Christa (post Omid) would have left a major mark on her too. Lee spent around 3-4 months with Clem. Christa spent around 16. Christa's bitterness would have rubbed off on Clementine to some extent. And besides she would be able to relate to the pain Christa was going through. She's lost everyone who has cared about her, her parents, Lee, and then Omid. Finally, the fact that the apocalypse is occurring would play a major role. She's been put in situations no child should ever be put through. She's seen people be killed. She has killed people herself (possibly the stranger and Lee, definitely caused Winston's death). She's probably going to be sawing off someone's leg next episode. She's been through a lot, and will keep going through a lot. Before you go any further, you kinda have to accept that Clementine can't really be treated like a child anymore. It's like Chuck said. "You have to consider her a living person, that's it." The lurkers aren't going to care if she's just a kid as they rip her to pieces. People who care about her age are probably going to be the exception, not the norm. The scavengers you fight at the start of the episode clearly didn't care. In spite of the fact that Clem's innocence is gone, that doesn't make her a bad person. That's what a lot of people don't seem to get. Clementine's moral code hasn't necessarily changed (it's up to the player at this point), but her outlook on life has. Look at all the adults in this world. I'll use Luke and Pete as examples. They are by no definition innocent. Having said that, they went out of their way to save Clementine's life, even though they had no attachment to her whatsoever. Clementine can still be the type of person who would do something like that. The fact of the mater is, the part of Clementine who would stand up for someone who left her to get eaten alive (Ben) is still there. Her good nature is up to the player. If they gave Clementine and ending along the lines of her holding up a child at gunpoint, regardless of the choices you made, it would be bad story telling on telltales part. Thank you for writing this, Michael. It's really annoying, when I see people writing that Clem is now a bad, not caring person etc. and that they hate new Clem because she's not innocent. This sums up my thoughts, which I'm too lazy to write, pretty well.
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Post by Autobot Sonic on Jan 3, 2014 17:22:00 GMT
Nice, I have to admit though, I hope she does not become something... else, I would prefer, and I shit you not, I would prefer her dead then become no better then the things we fought in season 1, and whats to come in season 2. I completely agree. But I do think a lot of people are overreacting to some extent. WARNING: WALL OF TEXT INBOUND:I think we can all safely agree that Clementine has lost most - if not all - of her childlike innocence she displayed in season one. This is largely due to the fact that she is growing older, her time with Chirtsa, and the fact that a zombie apocalypse is occurring. The first point is self explanatory. People (hopefully) stop acting like children as they get older. Clementine is 11 now, so it would make sense that she isn't quite as child like as we saw her in season 1. Her time with Christa (post Omid) would have left a major mark on her too. Lee spent around 3-4 months with Clem. Christa spent around 16. Christa's bitterness would have rubbed off on Clementine to some extent. And besides she would be able to relate to the pain Christa was going through. She's lost everyone who has cared about her, her parents, Lee, and then Omid. Finally, the fact that the apocalypse is occurring would play a major role. She's been put in situations no child should ever be put through. She's seen people be killed. She has killed people herself (possibly the stranger and Lee, definitely caused Winston's death). She's probably going to be sawing off someone's leg next episode. She's been through a lot, and will keep going through a lot. Before you go any further, you kinda have to accept that Clementine can't really be treated like a child anymore. It's like Chuck said. "You have to consider her a living person, that's it." The lurkers aren't going to care if she's just a kid as they rip her to pieces. People who care about her age are probably going to be the exception, not the norm. The scavengers you fight at the start of the episode clearly didn't care. In spite of the fact that Clem's innocence is gone, that doesn't make her a bad person. That's what a lot of people don't seem to get. Clementine's moral code hasn't necessarily changed (it's up to the player at this point), but her outlook on life has. Look at all the adults in this world. I'll use Luke and Pete as examples. They are by no definition innocent. Having said that, they went out of their way to save Clementine's life, even though they had no attachment to her whatsoever. Clementine can still be the type of person who would do something like that. The fact of the mater is, the part of Clementine who would stand up for someone who left her to get eaten alive (Ben) is still there. Her good nature is up to the player. If they gave Clementine and ending along the lines of her holding up a child at gunpoint, regardless of the choices you made, it would be bad story telling on telltales part. Nice job man. I guess I kind of was overreacting as to Clem's growing maturity, but thanks for putting my mind back together!
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Jan 3, 2014 17:33:57 GMT
Nice, I have to admit though, I hope she does not become something... else, I would prefer, and I shit you not, I would prefer her dead then become no better then the things we fought in season 1, and whats to come in season 2. I completely agree. But I do think a lot of people are overreacting to some extent. WARNING: WALL OF TEXT INBOUND:I think we can all safely agree that Clementine has lost most - if not all - of her childlike innocence she displayed in season one. This is largely due to the fact that she is growing older, her time with Chirtsa, and the fact that a zombie apocalypse is occurring. The first point is self explanatory. People (hopefully) stop acting like children as they get older. Clementine is 11 now, so it would make sense that she isn't quite as child like as we saw her in season 1. Her time with Christa (post Omid) would have left a major mark on her too. Lee spent around 3-4 months with Clem. Christa spent around 16. Christa's bitterness would have rubbed off on Clementine to some extent. And besides she would be able to relate to the pain Christa was going through. She's lost everyone who has cared about her, her parents, Lee, and then Omid. Finally, the fact that the apocalypse is occurring would play a major role. She's been put in situations no child should ever be put through. She's seen people be killed. She has killed people herself (possibly the stranger and Lee, definitely caused Winston's death). She's probably going to be sawing off someone's leg next episode. She's been through a lot, and will keep going through a lot. Before you go any further, you kinda have to accept that Clementine can't really be treated like a child anymore. It's like Chuck said. "You have to consider her a living person, that's it." The lurkers aren't going to care if she's just a kid as they rip her to pieces. People who care about her age are probably going to be the exception, not the norm. The scavengers you fight at the start of the episode clearly didn't care. In spite of the fact that Clem's innocence is gone, that doesn't make her a bad person. That's what a lot of people don't seem to get. Clementine's moral code hasn't necessarily changed (it's up to the player at this point), but her outlook on life has. Look at all the adults in this world. I'll use Luke and Pete as examples. They are by no definition innocent. Having said that, they went out of their way to save Clementine's life, even though they had no attachment to her whatsoever. Clementine can still be the type of person who would do something like that. The fact of the mater is, the part of Clementine who would stand up for someone who left her to get eaten alive (Ben) is still there. Her good nature is up to the player. If they gave Clementine and ending along the lines of her holding up a child at gunpoint, regardless of the choices you made, it would be bad story telling on telltales part. *Clap, clap* I could not have said it better myself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 20:12:41 GMT
Nice, I have to admit though, I hope she does not become something... else, I would prefer, and I shit you not, I would prefer her dead then become no better then the things we fought in season 1, and whats to come in season 2. I completely agree. But I do think a lot of people are overreacting to some extent. WARNING: WALL OF TEXT INBOUND:I think we can all safely agree that Clementine has lost most - if not all - of her childlike innocence she displayed in season one. This is largely due to the fact that she is growing older, her time with Chirtsa, and the fact that a zombie apocalypse is occurring. The first point is self explanatory. People (hopefully) stop acting like children as they get older. Clementine is 11 now, so it would make sense that she isn't quite as child like as we saw her in season 1. Her time with Christa (post Omid) would have left a major mark on her too. Lee spent around 3-4 months with Clem. Christa spent around 16. Christa's bitterness would have rubbed off on Clementine to some extent. And besides she would be able to relate to the pain Christa was going through. She's lost everyone who has cared about her, her parents, Lee, and then Omid. Finally, the fact that the apocalypse is occurring would play a major role. She's been put in situations no child should ever be put through. She's seen people be killed. She has killed people herself (possibly the stranger and Lee, definitely caused Winston's death). She's probably going to be sawing off someone's leg next episode. She's been through a lot, and will keep going through a lot. Before you go any further, you kinda have to accept that Clementine can't really be treated like a child anymore. It's like Chuck said. "You have to consider her a living person, that's it." The lurkers aren't going to care if she's just a kid as they rip her to pieces. People who care about her age are probably going to be the exception, not the norm. The scavengers you fight at the start of the episode clearly didn't care. In spite of the fact that Clem's innocence is gone, that doesn't make her a bad person. That's what a lot of people don't seem to get. Clementine's moral code hasn't necessarily changed (it's up to the player at this point), but her outlook on life has. Look at all the adults in this world. I'll use Luke and Pete as examples. They are by no definition innocent. Having said that, they went out of their way to save Clementine's life, even though they had no attachment to her whatsoever. Clementine can still be the type of person who would do something like that. The fact of the mater is, the part of Clementine who would stand up for someone who left her to get eaten alive (Ben) is still there. Her good nature is up to the player. If they gave Clementine and ending along the lines of her holding up a child at gunpoint, regardless of the choices you made, it would be bad story telling on telltales part. Oh, I agree. But that's not why I dislike her. People without innocence can still have emotions. She seems to lack those. I'd be alright with that, if we weren't playing as her. But nope, wherever we go it's just monotone, "We need to get to Wellington." Melissa Hutchison's new way of showing emphasis is just making some words drag on longer than others, rather than actually showing emphasis in her voice, and it makes me care just as little as Clementine seems to, honestly. I liked the stitching scene because she really came to life again as a person. Her voice showed emotion, even though it was negative. For the love of God, Clementine needs some fucking emotion. Honestly, if Clem died in episode 2, I wouldn't give a shit, because it seems like the Clementine I knew isn't battered or damaged as she should be, no, she's straight up dead.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jan 3, 2014 20:31:49 GMT
The stitching scene was good, but I thought the best voice acting scene in the game was the conversation with Luke. The emotions she displayed there obviously weren't as overt as in the stitching scene but they felt genuine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 20:34:35 GMT
I felt more emotion coming from Luke's side. I got the vibe that he was exaggerating how he was feeling in the way that you do with little kids, which made me like him even more. Though, yeah, she had very little emotions there, which is better than the jack shit that she was displaying the rest of the episode.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jan 3, 2014 20:52:28 GMT
It was mostly the throwaway lines that were flat. She doesn't quite have the "slightly amused at everything" tone that Lee brings when he interacts with stuff. In terms of her actual interactions with other characters, the only scene I really had a problem with was the one with Pete at the very end of the episode.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 20:56:06 GMT
Even the big lines were flat, so long as they were after Omid's death.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jan 3, 2014 21:00:21 GMT
Which ones? I don't remember any that stuck out to me as being strangely unemotional until the last scene.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 21:11:59 GMT
What do you mean which ones? I mean literally every line until the stitching scene, and literally every line after.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jan 3, 2014 21:19:02 GMT
Well, that's certainly not true. Especially if you're counting her conversations with Sarah and Alvin. And later on when she talked to Nick and Rebecca. Those conversations all sounded pretty normal to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 21:21:30 GMT
Now that you mention it, Sarah and Alvin were normal, but Nick and Rebecca seemed off.
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Post by Teacakes on Jan 3, 2014 21:22:25 GMT
I agree with Harp. But I also agree with Dome. At the moment I am slowly leaning towards agreeing with Dome.
*watches*
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