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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 22:01:53 GMT
I went with Mike & Bonnie.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 22:24:41 GMT
Not only is Jane a clone of Molly, but she's more boring than Molly was, and she's not good at her core. I think she was a lot more interesting than Molly. Definitely not. |
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Post by thatstoomuchfestivity on Aug 5, 2014 22:31:17 GMT
I think she was a lot more interesting than Molly. Definitely not. Definitely yes. Molly had boring voice and a flat, smug shtick. |
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Post by DomeWing333 on Aug 5, 2014 22:33:25 GMT
Not only is Jane a clone of Molly, but she's more boring than Molly was, and she's not good at her core. I think she was a lot more interesting than Molly. Agreed. Molly had nothing going for her character other than being a parkour ninja. I didn't give 2 shits about her deal with her sister because I knew nothing of their relationship, all of her taunting came off as incredibly lame, and she had no weakness to her character. Jane, despite being capable, is full of weaknesses and flaws. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 22:37:12 GMT
I think she was a lot more interesting than Molly. Agreed. Molly had nothing going for her character other than being a parkour ninja. I didn't give 2 shits about her deal with her sister because I knew nothing of their relationship, all of her taunting came off as incredibly lame, and she had no weakness to her character. Jane, despite being capable, is full of weaknesses and flaws. I didn't see a single weakness in Jane. She doesn't like being around people? Damn, she must be weak as hell. Jane and Molly are the same character, except one struggles with her former Crawford ways, trying to remember to save and help people, while the other accepts Crawford's philosophy flat out. |
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Post by DomeWing333 on Aug 5, 2014 22:48:04 GMT
Agreed. Molly had nothing going for her character other than being a parkour ninja. I didn't give 2 shits about her deal with her sister because I knew nothing of their relationship, all of her taunting came off as incredibly lame, and she had no weakness to her character. Jane, despite being capable, is full of weaknesses and flaws. I didn't see a single weakness in Jane. She doesn't like being around people? Damn, she must be weak as hell. Jane and Molly are the same character, except one struggles with her former Crawford ways, trying to remember to save and help people, while the other accepts Crawford's philosophy flat out. Do you not remember her freaking out after threatening Arvo? And subsequently fucking Luke (a fairly reckless thing to do) because of it? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 22:52:57 GMT
I didn't see a single weakness in Jane. She doesn't like being around people? Damn, she must be weak as hell. Jane and Molly are the same character, except one struggles with her former Crawford ways, trying to remember to save and help people, while the other accepts Crawford's philosophy flat out. Do you not remember her freaking out after threatening Arvo? And subsequently fucking Luke (a fairly reckless thing to do) because of it? Sure, she's cautious, and doesn't like when she can't act on her caution, but that is not a weakness. Fucking Luke wasn't a weakness either. Oh God, she had sex after she scanned the area and was sure she was safe for like five minutes. Jesus Christ. How weak. Neither of those are weaknesses. |
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Post by sos on Aug 5, 2014 22:54:51 GMT
Random side note: Telltale really ignored the fabric of time and events with the go with Mike/Bonnie or go with Jane thing. If you go with Mike/Bonnie first, you definitely shouldn't get to Jane in time for the Arvo moment. I fully understand that it's essential to include the whole Arvo thing/choice, but I'm just sayin'.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Aug 5, 2014 23:01:45 GMT
Do you not remember her freaking out after threatening Arvo? And subsequently fucking Luke (a fairly reckless thing to do) because of it? Sure, she's cautious, and doesn't like when she can't act on her caution, but that is not a weakness. Fucking Luke wasn't a weakness either. Oh God, she had sex after she scanned the area and was sure she was safe for like five minutes. Jesus Christ. How weak. Neither of those are weaknesses. Wait, what? She doesn't like it when she does have to act on her caution. The only reason she threatened Arvo was that he was a potential threat to the group. She's very bothered by the fact that she had to do this. Hell, she's practically on the verge of tears. That's internal conflict. That's weakness. More than Molly ever showed. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 23:20:35 GMT
Sure, she's cautious, and doesn't like when she can't act on her caution, but that is not a weakness. Fucking Luke wasn't a weakness either. Oh God, she had sex after she scanned the area and was sure she was safe for like five minutes. Jesus Christ. How weak. Neither of those are weaknesses. Wait, what? She doesn't like it when she does have to act on her caution. The only reason she threatened Arvo was that he was a potential threat to the group. She's very bothered by the fact that she had to do this. Hell, she's practically on the verge of tears. That's internal conflict. That's weakness. More than Molly ever showed. I thought she wanted to kill him. She didn't seem at all bothered to me. Just a little scared on whether or not he would come back. Perhaps it has to do with what you tell her. Molly showed plenty. For instance, when she almost left Lee and the rest, when Clementine asked for help, she realized what she was doing, and for the rest of the episode, there were points where she had to go against her first instinct. A lot of second guessing yourself seems like a pretty big weakness to me. There's less internal conflict in her, but there are people in real life with not as much internal conflict either. |
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Post by DomeWing333 on Aug 5, 2014 23:31:38 GMT
Wait, what? She doesn't like it when she does have to act on her caution. The only reason she threatened Arvo was that he was a potential threat to the group. She's very bothered by the fact that she had to do this. Hell, she's practically on the verge of tears. That's internal conflict. That's weakness. More than Molly ever showed. I thought she wanted to kill him. She didn't seem at all bothered to me. Just a little scared on whether or not he would come back. Perhaps it has to do with what you tell her. Molly showed plenty. For instance, when she almost left Lee and the rest, when Clementine asked for help, she realized what she was doing, and for the rest of the episode, there were points where she had to go against her first instinct. A lot of second guessing yourself seems like a pretty big weakness to me. There's less internal conflict in her, but there are people in real life with not as much internal conflict either. Nah, man. Watch the scene again. She laments "threatening some stupid kid" in a quivering voice and then puts her hand to her mouth and tells Clem to get the others. She was almost crying because she had to do something bad. If Molly changing her mind about leaving Lee because Clem spoke up counts as second guessing herself, then Jane changing her mind about leaving Clem and Rebecca in the hoard also counts. And unlike Molly, Jane wasn't even about to leave Clem and Rebecca to die. She told them everything they needed to get out of there. They were covered in guts and just had to walk slowly to safety. They (well, Rebecca) was just too afraid to do it, so Jane went back to help them. Jane's a more complex character than I think you give her credit for. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 23:36:33 GMT
I thought she wanted to kill him. She didn't seem at all bothered to me. Just a little scared on whether or not he would come back. Perhaps it has to do with what you tell her. Molly showed plenty. For instance, when she almost left Lee and the rest, when Clementine asked for help, she realized what she was doing, and for the rest of the episode, there were points where she had to go against her first instinct. A lot of second guessing yourself seems like a pretty big weakness to me. There's less internal conflict in her, but there are people in real life with not as much internal conflict either. Nah, man. Watch the scene again. She laments "threatening some stupid kid" in a quivering voice and then puts her hand to her mouth and tells Clem to get the others. She was almost crying because she had to do something bad. If Molly changing her mind about leaving Lee because Clem spoke up counts as second guessing herself, then Jane changing her mind about leaving Clem and Rebecca in the hoard also counts. And unlike Molly, Jane wasn't even about to leave Clem and Rebecca to die. She told them everything they needed to get out of there. They were covered in guts and just had to walk slowly to safety. They (well, Rebecca) was just too afraid to do it, so Jane went back to help them. Jane's a more complex character than I think you give her credit for. Now there's one thing I know for sure, she was NOT on the verge of tears. Maybe she didn't like threatening him, but I would've noted her being on the verge of tears. Thing is, Molly second guessed herself pretty often. Jane did it the one time. That's it. Plus, it's far less interesting, because there was no internal conflict int the scene you're talking about. There was whenever Molly second guessed herself. Jane is really just Molly 2.0. We could sit here expanding upon their differences all fucking day, and talking about who's better, and all that shit, but here's the bottom line: They're all minor differences. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 23:36:36 GMT
I have to agree with Dome 100% here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 23:51:44 GMT
I don't agree with anyone because, to be honest, I skip these arguments.
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Post by Autobot Sonic on Aug 5, 2014 23:55:14 GMT
I went with Jane first as well but not because I didn't trust her. I went with her because the buddy system is very important in the zombie apocalypse. Honestly, if Jane wanted to leave, what the hell was Clem going to do to stop her? Also, I didn't see what the big deal was with her leaving. She had no attachment to the group. Unlike Clem, who was saved by the group, Jane actually doesn't owe them anything. If she wants to leave, let her leave. This. She was a major asset to the group, and I didn't want her to leave. |
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