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Post by DomeWing333 on Jul 28, 2014 23:14:33 GMT
Honestly, at this point, I side with Kenny more. After he got his shit together I pretty much agreed with everything he said. Yes, Rebecca was in bad shape but she wasn't going to get better without food, barely any water, and the cold getting worse and worse. None of them were. Luke has good plans but terrible instincts that cause him to lose track of his goals and make it difficult for him to follow through on them. Kenny's plans suck, but when push comes to shove, he takes care to try to preserve the things that matter to him. Well if you told Mike to get the water, he had a shitload of it. Enough to last everybody for days. Even then, he still left half of it behind. I agree with the food thing a bit, but people can go a long time without food. Giving Rebecca a day to rest would increase her chances by a hell of a lot. You aren't gonna get anywhere when you're exhausted. Kenny still worked her to death, though. People can go a long time without food before dying. But for someone who's exerted as much energy as Rebecca, even a couple days without food would have sapped the hell out of her strength. Her coughing also suggested that she was getting sick and it would have only gotten worse after a couple days. She was pretty screwed regardless. So it was between "go when everybody still had strength but Rebecca was exhausted" and "Go when everybody's weaker and Rebecca might be feeling better." |
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Post by sos on Jul 28, 2014 23:15:50 GMT
Kenny. I've agreed with him on a lot of stuff dating back to season 1. Not everything, but a lot.
I agreed with Luke on waiting a few days though. Just because I thought they needed to mellow out and sleep some a bit after everything. Think about it... They hadn't slept since waking up the day Clem was going to sneak Luke a radio.
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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Jul 28, 2014 23:15:57 GMT
Pretty much.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 23:27:44 GMT
Well if you told Mike to get the water, he had a shitload of it. Enough to last everybody for days. Even then, he still left half of it behind. I agree with the food thing a bit, but people can go a long time without food. Giving Rebecca a day to rest would increase her chances by a hell of a lot. You aren't gonna get anywhere when you're exhausted. Kenny still worked her to death, though. People can go a long time without food before dying. But for someone who's exerted as much energy as Rebecca, even a couple days without food would have sapped the hell out of her strength. Her coughing also suggested that she was getting sick and it would have only gotten worse after a couple days. She was pretty screwed regardless. So it was between "go when everybody still had strength but Rebecca was exhausted" and "Go when everybody's weaker and Rebecca might be feeling better." Actually, she definitely died of exhaustion. That's the only way she would've died in that exact same spot. You can't argue that the sickness would've definitely gotten worse over the next couple days, because many sicknesses go away after a day or two. Also, there was wildlife in the area. Mike and Luke probably hunted some. It was more between "Work the new mother to death," or "Wait a couple days, let the mother recover her strength, then work her to death." The whole choice was just bullshit, but I still agree with Luke on that one. |
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Post by Teacakes on Jul 29, 2014 10:31:45 GMT
Kenny.
You know why.
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Post by wakemeup on Jul 29, 2014 10:32:10 GMT
How surprising.
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Post by Teacakes on Jul 29, 2014 10:36:03 GMT
Very.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 14:06:01 GMT
Actually I don't know why apart from the fact that you're a massive Kenny fan. |
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Post by sos on Jul 29, 2014 15:06:40 GMT
Actually I don't know why apart from the fact that you're a massive Kenny fan. Lemme see if I can speak for TKA. Mostly it's because Telltale hasn't written someone to be outspoken enough to speak up to Kenny. I don't know if Luke has even offered up one, single grand-scheme plan. Kenny had the boat in season 1, which I thought was stupid. Now he has Wellington in season 2, which I completely agree with since Christa, someone of pure sense and judgment, pinpoints as a worthwhile destination. Kenny is just more of an ideas man so he pulls me in easier. I think his motivations and his heart are in the right place. What he needs is a Christa to stand up to him to question some of the stuff in-between. Luke isn't loud enough yet. I expect that to change. All this said... what big Kenny/Luke decisions have their been? I can think of two. The first was wait a day or two or leave immediately. The other was escape Carver's that night or wait. And that one really was a Luke vs. Rebecca decision. Other than that it was a bunch of bickering stuff at the end of Amid the Ruins. I stood by Kenny there, which I don't think is that ridiculous. Firstly, Luke was being a little loud when he learned that Jane left. Kenny called him on it. That's fair. Luke eventually starts screaming when a bunch of walkers are around. You can't allowed that shit. It works both ways too. Kenny's had moments where he should be called out. It's just that no one is strong enough to stand up to him. Whether Kenny deserved to be yelled or not in the past (he did), wrong place, wrong time by Luke. Then there was the moment near the end where Kenny asked Rebecca to give him the baby. Is Kenny kind of creepy around that baby? Yes, absolutely. But Rebecca just ate a face full of dirt not two minutes ago. She was an exhausted wreck. It's her baby, but if you saw someone you were close to, someone whose back you had struggling to stand up, would you let them continue to hold on to their own baby? The problem with Luke is Telltale always sets him up so that he's coming off of a fuck-up. They should know the players make snap judgments and the entire world is a big "what have you done for me lately." When Luke was arguing to wait at Carver's, he had just gotten caught and ruined the whole plan. When Luke was arguing to wait at Parker's Run, he had just gotten caught getting his dick wet. I'm not a biased guy. I truly thought that the best plan was to push on and leave Carver's ASAP regardless of the state of the group. Likewise, I truly thought that the best plan was to stay at Parker's Run for a few days of recuperation. So, really, if we're talking about actual decisions, I've sided with Luke more. If we're talking about the bickering at the tail end of Amid the Ruins? Kenny was in the right. |
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Post by Teacakes on Jul 29, 2014 17:52:50 GMT
Um... Thanks.
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Post by Rock114 on Jul 29, 2014 17:55:14 GMT
Plot twist of the century right here. |
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Post by Teacakes on Jul 29, 2014 17:55:54 GMT
I know, right?
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Post by lilacsbloom on Aug 12, 2014 19:32:04 GMT
I agree more with Luke. Even though I don't like Luke not having it in him to kill Carver [because the guy would've kept ruling over that camp with an iron fist and been a threat that might've kept chasing them] he tries to avoid a violent confrontation if he can and would be easier for Clementine to reason with. So yeah, both Kenny and Luke aren't perfect, but I'd definitely agree more with Luke. ...sorry Kenny  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 19:36:02 GMT
I agree more with Luke. Even though I don't like Luke not having it in him to kill Carver [because the guy would've kept ruling over that camp with an iron fist and been a threat that might've kept chasing them] he tries to avoid a violent confrontation if he can and would be easier for Clementine to reason with. So yeah, both Kenny and Luke aren't perfect, but I'd definitely agree more with Luke. ...sorry Kenny You shouldn't be sorry for going against Kenny. Kenny's an asshole. He has no problem with leaving men to die for not wanting to kill someone. No other character deserves as much pain as Kenny. Not even Jane, who is worse as a human being, but has done less. Not a single other character deserves as much shit as Kenny, except maybe the St Johns. |
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Post by wakemeup on Aug 12, 2014 21:08:36 GMT
stranger, carver, crawford, larry Was that directed to Harp or are you just agreeing with them more? |
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