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Post by Rock114 on Feb 13, 2014 13:35:07 GMT
Perhaps it's not fair to judge Molly for that, but it was mainly her parkour skills that did it, on top of her badass pick-axing. I, personally, don't know anyone who does parkour. I live in the Middle of Nowhere, so there's no urban jungle for people to practice in. It just seemed so out of place to me whereas all the other characters to that point had been pretty much normal people just trying to survive. I suppose you have a point about Carley being judgmental. She DID make it seem like she'd be watching Lee when they had their little heart-to-heart in the pharmacy office, but that never went anywhere. Perhaps she decided to trust him after she saved her life. I can see that type of situation changing her opinion of him. Dude, parkour is decently popular in the suburbs, let alone the urban areas. In my short time living in the suburbs, I've met 4-5 people who do parkour. It's not inconceivable that Lee would come across one in his adventures. Especially if it helps her survive, which we've seen time and time again, it does. People get into parkour even with just houses and libraries and shit. Yeah well, on top of that, she didn't deserve to be saved. She had one dude on her fucking foot. Stomp him in with your high heel, dumb bitch. Doug had at least three guys holding him by his torso. Then I suppose this is a location thing. I live in the Middle of Nowhere. Even if people DID want to do parkour here, they'd have a hard time of it. I don't know anybody who does it, so perhaps that's why Molly takes me out of it so much. I'm not sure how many people do it or what the statistics on it are, so it just felt strange to see someone doing that. Dayum. Remind me to never get in a bad situation if you're in my group.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Feb 13, 2014 13:36:31 GMT
Yeah well, on top of that, she didn't deserve to be saved. She had one dude on her fucking foot. Stomp him in with your high heel, dumb bitch. Doug had at least three guys holding him by his torso. Well, how the fuck did Doug even get into that situation in the first place? What, he thought it'd be a good idea to use his soft, squishy body to barricade a window bursting in with zombies? With his back turned? As for Carley not being judgmental, that was her point. She was the one character in your group that sympathizes with what you did instead of judging you for it. Even Clem judges you for your actions at one point or another. Carley was mean to be that sort of dependable emotional anchor you could rely on to have your back no matter what. Every time Lee's feeling a bit emotionally unsure about a course of action, he knows he can turn to Carley for a clarifying view on things. That's a very useful thing to have for a lot of people. Criticizing Carley for not being judgmental is like criticizing Doug for not being dumb. It was what the character was there for. Doug provided intellectual stability and Carley provided emotional stability.
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Post by Gengar on Feb 13, 2014 13:52:48 GMT
Perhaps it's not fair to judge Molly for that, but it was mainly her parkour skills that did it, on top of her badass pick-axing. I, personally, don't know anyone who does parkour. I live in the Middle of Nowhere, so there's no urban jungle for people to practice in. It just seemed so out of place to me whereas all the other characters to that point had been pretty much normal people just trying to survive. I suppose you have a point about Carley being judgmental. She DID make it seem like she'd be watching Lee when they had their little heart-to-heart in the pharmacy office, but that never went anywhere. Perhaps she decided to trust him after she saved her life. I can see that type of situation changing her opinion of him. Dude, parkour is decently popular in the suburbs, let alone the urban areas. In my short time living in the suburbs, I've met 4-5 people who do parkour. It's not inconceivable that Lee would come across one in his adventures. Especially if it helps her survive, which we've seen time and time again, it does. People get into parkour even with just houses and libraries and shit. Yeah well, on top of that, she didn't deserve to be saved. She had one dude on her fucking foot. Stomp him in with your high heel, dumb bitch. Doug had at least three guys holding him by his torso. It was not possible to stomp the walker that was grabbing Carley. If she used her other foot, she would've tripped. Believe me, my little bro tried to do that once on my leg when we were kids, I tried to stomp his face with my other foot...then I tripped. As for Doug, I don't know why boarding your whole body against a wooden fragile window was a good idea, but then again he had no other options...
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Post by wakemeup on Feb 13, 2014 14:23:00 GMT
Yeah well, on top of that, she didn't deserve to be saved. She had one dude on her fucking foot. Stomp him in with your high heel, dumb bitch. Doug had at least three guys holding him by his torso. Well, how the fuck did Doug even get into that situation in the first place? What, he thought it'd be a good idea to use his soft, squishy body to barricade a window bursting in with zombies? With his back turned? So what was he supposed to do? Let them in? Beat them with his fists? Unlike Carley, he didn't have a gun, or at least a melee weapon. And we know he wan't a fighte type. Dude, parkour is decently popular in the suburbs, let alone the urban areas. In my short time living in the suburbs, I've met 4-5 people who do parkour. It's not inconceivable that Lee would come across one in his adventures. Especially if it helps her survive, which we've seen time and time again, it does. People get into parkour even with just houses and libraries and shit. Yeah well, on top of that, she didn't deserve to be saved. She had one dude on her fucking foot. Stomp him in with your high heel, dumb bitch. Doug had at least three guys holding him by his torso. It was not possible to stomp the walker that was grabbing Carley. If she used her other foot, she would've tripped. Believe me, my little bro tried to do that once on my leg when we were kids, I tried to stomp his face with my other foot...then I tripped. As for Doug, I don't know why boarding your whole body against a wooden fragile window was a good idea, but then again he had no other options... It's been a while since I played the game, but I'm thinkthere was a fridge or something else next to her. She could've held it and stomp the walker. She shouldnt've be in that position anyway. She had a gun, so she could've slowly retreated towards her purse. Instead, she was just standing in one place, waiting for the walker to grab her.
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Post by Gengar on Feb 13, 2014 14:27:28 GMT
Or maybe Carley could've used the empty gun, and bashed the walker in the head...?
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Post by IDEK on Feb 13, 2014 14:31:49 GMT
I think she panicked. Like, Really,REALLY, panicked.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Feb 13, 2014 14:34:27 GMT
So what was he supposed to do? Let them in? Beat them with his fists? Unlike Carley, he didn't have a gun, or at least a melee weapon. And we know he wan't a fighte type. It wasn't even clear what he was trying to do. Carley was shooting zombies as they came in and ran out of bullets when on grabbed her. All I remember is Doug saying "that window's screwed," running over there, and the next thing you know, he had his back turned, pressed against the window with like 5 zombie arms wrapped around him. He's a smart guy. Why not think to push something up against it that's not, you know, himself? I guess that's all hindsight though and it all happened too quickly for people to think things through.
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Post by Gengar on Feb 13, 2014 14:43:22 GMT
I think she panicked. Like, Really,REALLY, panicked. Yeah, people who panic tend NOT to think at all
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Post by Gengar on Feb 13, 2014 14:44:23 GMT
So what was he supposed to do? Let them in? Beat them with his fists? Unlike Carley, he didn't have a gun, or at least a melee weapon. And we know he wan't a fighte type. It wasn't even clear what he was trying to do. Carley was shooting zombies as they came in and ran out of bullets when on grabbed her. All I remember is Doug saying "that window's screwed," running over there, and the next thing you know, he had his back turned, pressed against the window with like 5 zombie arms wrapped around him. He's a smart guy. Why not think to push something up against it that's not, you know, himself? I guess that's all hindsight though and it all happened too quickly for people to think things through. There was nothing to put on against the window.
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Post by wakemeup on Feb 13, 2014 14:48:00 GMT
So what was he supposed to do? Let them in? Beat them with his fists? Unlike Carley, he didn't have a gun, or at least a melee weapon. And we know he wan't a fighte type. It wasn't even clear what he was trying to do. Carley was shooting zombies as they came in and ran out of bullets when on grabbed her. All I remember is Doug saying "that window's screwed," running over there, and the next thing you know, he had his back turned, pressed against the window with like 5 zombie arms wrapped around him. He's a smart guy. Why not think to push something up against it that's not, you know, himself? I guess that's all hindsight though and it all happened too quickly for people to think things through. True, he could've pushed something against the window, but he didn't have much time and only things around he could've used were the big shelfs and they aren't too light. If he'd be able to push a shelf against the window, some zombies would likely be inside already. He choose a heroic path. Sure, it wasn't a great idea, but like you said, it all happened quickly, os he didn't have time to think of some other options. And there weren't too many of those anyway.
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Post by Gengar on Feb 13, 2014 14:53:42 GMT
It wasn't even clear what he was trying to do. Carley was shooting zombies as they came in and ran out of bullets when on grabbed her. All I remember is Doug saying "that window's screwed," running over there, and the next thing you know, he had his back turned, pressed against the window with like 5 zombie arms wrapped around him. He's a smart guy. Why not think to push something up against it that's not, you know, himself? I guess that's all hindsight though and it all happened too quickly for people to think things through. True, he could've pushed something against the window, but he didn't have much time and only things around he could've used were the big shelfs and they aren't too light. If he'd be able to push a shelf against the window, some zombies would likely be inside already. He choose a heroic path. Sure, it wasn't a great idea, but like you said, it all happened quickly, os he didn't have time to think of some other options. And there weren't too many of those anyway. Wait...chose the heroic path? So Doug...whether you save him or not...still dies a hero? DOUG IS A FUCKING HERO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!
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Post by DomeWing333 on Feb 13, 2014 15:06:57 GMT
He was always a hero. Carley talks about how he saved her if you ask. And since she ends up saving Lee, then by the transitive property, Doug saved Lee. And you left him to die. For shame.
...so did I, though.
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Post by wakemeup on Feb 13, 2014 15:20:06 GMT
In my first playtrough, I really liked them both and this was incredibly hard decision. I saved Carley, because I knew her better, she had much more screentime. R.I.P. hero Doug. I thought we were gonna get decision like Carley/Doug, but with Omid and Christa in season 2. I was really afraid that might happen. They both are in my top 5 season 1 characters. Then we get "All that remains"... It was even worse than what I predicted.
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Post by Master Psychic on Feb 13, 2014 15:24:18 GMT
I really wish we had a Omid or Christa choice. It would of been a tough choice and it would of been much better than killing off Omid in the beggining just to make the opening dark and sad.
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Post by sos on Feb 13, 2014 17:20:44 GMT
I would have killed off Christa so fast if given the choice. Wouldn't even be a decision for me. Anything to keep Omid around. Lee even said that he was Clementine's favorite.
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