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Post by Bioshock Infinite WD on Mar 26, 2019 2:32:43 GMT
God, I'm actually nervous about playing this. Only a few more hours. Me too. I havent seen any reason to think the writers will fuck up, but I'm on edge. I want telltale to go out on a high note.
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Post by harp on Mar 26, 2019 6:33:12 GMT
PERFECT. ENDING.
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Post by Niccc on Mar 26, 2019 7:54:40 GMT
Good episode and good ending, but a little disappointed.
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Post by the meg on Mar 26, 2019 8:15:38 GMT
I was bamboozled with that scene.
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Post by Tommy Angelo on Mar 26, 2019 8:35:45 GMT
"What Clem taught me - If your grandma is dying, stop watching cartoons". wtf
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Post by Rock114 on Mar 26, 2019 9:06:34 GMT
RIP Eddie. Now you're a deadie. Brains turned into spaghetti.
Forever in our hearts.
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Post by Zeruis on Mar 26, 2019 9:31:51 GMT
I'm not exactly sure how I feel about the ending. Don't get me wrong, overall I'm okay with the finale as a whole. Killing Clem off would've been a repeat of S1, but the way they baited you into thinking she didn't die was worse. Wasn't her face as dead as Lee when he started to turn?
I wish we had another hallucination with Lee, I was expecting that to happen instead of the McCarroll Ranch sequence.
-Told Tenn the truth about Minnie, he died after AJ shot him -Trusted AJ to make the right calls -Told AJ to leave me before he chopped the leg off
I'm happy that Violet didn't go unscathed after Ep3. Minnie's return looked like something straight out of a slasher, I loved it. From what I understand, you can't kill Lilly if you kept her alive after Ep3. After the trailer, I thought that this episode was very much going to be split having Lilly/James as the respective villains of their episodes, but they just seem to have one diverging scene before and during the cave.
I still need some more time to process all of this, I really can't believe it's all over.
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Post by Tommy Angelo on Mar 26, 2019 10:33:24 GMT
I'm not exactly sure how I feel about the ending. Don't get me wrong, overall I'm okay with the finale as a whole. Killing Clem off would've been a repeat of S1, but the way they baited you into thinking she didn't die was worse. Wasn't her face as dead as Lee when he started to turn?
I wish we had another hallucination with Lee, I was expecting that to happen instead of the McCarroll Ranch sequence.
-Told Tenn the truth about Minnie, he died after AJ shot him -Trusted AJ to make the right calls -Told AJ to leave me before he chopped the leg off
I'm happy that Violet didn't go unscathed after Ep3. Minnie's return looked like something straight out of a slasher, I loved it. From what I understand, you can't kill Lilly if you kept her alive after Ep3. After the trailer, I thought that this episode was very much going to be split having Lilly/James as the respective villains of their episodes, but they just seem to have one diverging scene before and during the cave.
I still need some more time to process all of this, I really can't believe it's all over.
You can shoot at her, but you'll miss.
It's way better to use dialogue options, because you get to tell her off. Of course she tries to twist your words, but you can always fire back at her with some good lines.
The option I chose (after Lily said that now Delta is screwed because of Clem) was, "then make another story about it and call it The Parable about Lily".
Lily still stands tall and says she did this for the better, but you can fuck her over by saying you pity her for what she became. AJ throws in a line too (I hope you get bit for what you did to us) and you can see on Lily's face that she now KNOWS she lost.
Scene's ten times better than pointlessly killing her off in Ep3.
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Post by Teacakes on Mar 26, 2019 13:35:22 GMT
I loved the episode. So much.
I'm so proud of Louis. He came back for me, smashing walker heads using a rock with such ease. He kissed Clem right before they ran to the cart - I had been praying for him to initiate a kiss, and he finally did! He also made a reference to Clem, AJ and him all being ninjas which was a dialogue option in episode 1. He really stepped up this episode by coming back for Clem a second time, and god, the hug in the woods, it looked and felt like family. He also expressed that he had been scared about losing her, and cupped Clem's hands in his which was incredibly touching. They also talked about their dream home which would be purple (his choice), have nine hundred and fourteen floors (my choice) and a skylight.
Lilly sailed off on a raft early on which was kinda amusing to be honest. I basically told her to fuck off as I had more important things to worry about. Minerva showing up on the bridge though, flesh ripped off, drenched in blood, singing away was the creepiest shit. Tenn died because I trusted AJ, and although I feel awful about losing Tenn, I'm glad Louis was safe.
I openly sobbed when Clem was 'dying' and was weeping throughout the entire flashback, and then sobbed even harder when she turned out to be alive. The ninja family was all together, safe and sound. I couldn't be happier. Honestly I'm fucking elated.
Violet lost sight in one eye due to the other explosion, so Clem and her combined make a full pirate. She also apologised which, I thought there was no need for as I put her in an awful situation, but even still, I'm glad we're on speaking terms.
Louis was planning to go see those survivors they spotted along with AJ, last time I saw him, and gave Clem another kiss on the cheek which was just... so sweet. My heart is full.
I'm happy with how AJ turned out, I think I failed him a couple of times but overall, he's a good kid. He doesn't get enough appreciation from me, I'm always talking about Louis, but I do love AJ, a lot.
Louis was left feeling LOVED, which is just perfect. I couldn't be happier. This is all I wanted, and now I've got it. This is my canon ending.
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Post by o0HeaDShoT0o on Mar 26, 2019 15:24:31 GMT
Clementine's journey has finally come to an end. Getting off that shipwreck was crazy. To me, it was similar to "Uncharted" for a minute there. Everything falling apart around me, explosions going off, climbing and jumping as we're trying desperately to escape. The last of the Delta (on the beach) didn't last long out there. All that was left was Minnie, who I believed to be dead at first after leaving her to the herd and nearly blowing herself up. At least the kids made it out safely in that cart, including Violet, who gave Clem a quick kiss before leaving. While in the caves, I knew that James didn't approve me telling AJ to kill Lilly, but I didn't expect him to actually try and take AJ. And when AJ said he actually liked killing Lilly, that felt like everything I taught him about regretting his actions and being a murderer is wrong was thrown out the window. I was wanting to say "I was wrong to tell you to shoot her. I said it out of anger, and anger can really cloud your way of thinking." Don't get me wrong, I'd rather James be alive than Lilly, but still. After convincing him that I'd want that peaceful life, he stayed behind to keep the walkers from following us. Last time we'll get to see him. He was weird whisperer, but he was my favorite whisperer. Violet came back for us. I was glad to see her again. The talk they had about keeping people at arm's length, what their homes were like, and even talking about Clem's favorite memory in the kitchen to make pancakes for her dad was so sweet, and now Violet wants to recreate Saturday Pancakes. And of course, Minnie finds us despite being so badly bitten, has turned psycho and Tenn just wouldn't stop going to her. As soon as I grabbed for the gun while she was ranting, I was like, "Oh, shut the fuck up, you crybaby bitch!". Spitting blood like that was a real cheap move and she really screwed Clem over by slicing her leg. I didn't wanna kill her, but she gave me no choice. That's what she gets for choosing assholes over family and killing her own sister. Tenn didn't make it. Violet made it out. All because I trusted him to make the hard calls. And if I hadn't, it might've been the other way around. And while climbing up that wall, the one thing I didn't want to happen above all else, happened. Clem got bit. FUCK! I was really hoping that Clem would just use that axe to cut off the bite immediately, but for some reason, she didn't. I didn't want to accept it, but it was happening. Clem was going to die. I was sad and angry at the same time. Making that final stand at James' barn, playing as AJ and Clem back and forth to keep the walkers from getting, was so emotionally intense. They really did bring back memories of when Lee was in his final moments. The McCarroll Ranch flashback finally showed us what really happened when Clem found AJ again. I didn't expect the place to look like a fortress. I thought it was a farmland. But at least now I can understand why that place has been haunting Clem for so long. I felt so bad shooting the woman who was trying to keep AJ safe. And now we're playing as AJ in the last few minutes of the episode. The dialogue choices seemed to have changed into what his thoughts are and how he expresses the one we choose. Managed to get Clem's hat back thanks to Rosie, who seems to have become AJ's sidekick. There was something really sweet about Ruby calling him "hun". The song "Take Us Back" playing as I'm going back to the school and seeing how everyone was doing after escaping Delta and losing Clem... Or so I was lead to believe... And then, a miracle happened. I hear Clementine's voice and she comes in with crutches and a missing foot. That right there, just broke me. I literally stopped playing for a minute just because I was crying tears of joy. Clementine was still alive. It shouldn't be possible because she was bitten for too long, but I don't give a flying shit. Clementine, AJ, Violet, Louis, the rest of the kids, they'll all still alive in the end. This is all I wanted. It's what I have been hoping for right from the start. Everyone made back to the school alive and are living a peaceful life together. In a real home, surrounded by the people who all care and love each other. ( I mean, except Tenn, though. Wish he also could've made it back with us. May he rest in peace). These survivors in a caravan Clem and Vi were talking about? My first thought was Rhys and Fiona and their friends from TFTBL. XD I like how they showed the title and names on the walls on our way back to the room. Looking at all the collectibles one last time as AJ was good. It was funny the way Rosie looked at him after saying he wouldn't eat the mushroom. I was like "Hey, don't give me that look." And it even ended with "Thank you for playing".MY CHOICES:* I chose to trust AJ to make his own choices. At first, I really wanted to say that I don't and was about to choose that, but then I thought, "What if not trusting ends up getting me or someone else killed?". So, fuck it, I went with trusting him. * I let Violet rename the school herself. I didn't really think the three choices were cool enough. I wanted to rename the place Wellington. And of all the names Violet could think, it's Texes. Scratch that, it's "Texas Two". TT for short. * I asked AJ to kill me rather than let me become a walker. I wouldn't let Lee turn, so I wouldn't let Clem either. Thankfully, he "missed" and saved Clementine. * I shot Tenn after he became a walker. I couldn't just leave him to roam around and rot forever. MY RELATIONSHIPS:- I left James feeling Conflicted. I guess that offer to let him live in the school with us is off the table. I'm gonna miss that weirdo. - I left Violet feeling Loved. I can only imagine the look on her face to see Clem coming home with one leg. She'd give an eyeball for a chicken nugget. Her girlfriend gave a foot (involuntarily) to make it back to her. - I left Louis feeling Shaken. I guess it'll take some time before he can use to having no more tongue. Hopefully he'll be able to learn how to talk and sing properly again. And I'll never know what it was he wrote on that note. - Lilly is Dead. I've said all I need to say about her. - Tenn is Dead. It sucks that I couldn't save both him and Violet. I hope he's in that better place now. With Sophia. Minerva can fuck off. What Clem taught AJ...... Yeah, that list is too long. But, the one that got me laughing was, "If your Grandma is dying, stop watching cartoons." HA! This kid, man. Oh and I found every single collectible. And that's that. It's really all over now. And what an incredible journey this has been.
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Post by Tommy Angelo on Mar 26, 2019 15:48:30 GMT
So... If you stay long enough near the stream in the cave without doing anything, a walker stuck inside the life preserver will go down the waterfall and float around for a while, with a notification showing up: "Huh".
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Post by Tormundo on Mar 26, 2019 17:44:25 GMT
This will be a long post. I think it's the largest I've made on an telltale episode. That was pretty good. I've given it some thought and waited a bit to post so I could figure out exactly how I felt about this episode. I think I've realized my issues with it, but I'll get to that later.
First I gotta admit this episode had me on tears many times (and by the end of it my face was probably a mess), which is something that hadn't happened since... I don't know, season two? I think they did a great job with the dialogue and the scenes. The first act was great, escaping from the boat and trying to find the others. This part was really well done. All the animations and the dialogue was nice. I was really tense since I knew anyone could die any moment. For a second I thought AJ and Clem would be separated and finding each other would be the first act, in my opinion this would've been an interesting situation, seeing them separated for the first time in years and this would've given an opportunity to show the ranch flashback in a place where it doesn't feel weird. Clem would be reminded of the ranch since she's separated from AJ again. I don't know, I would've liked it as the first act. Still though, I can sort of see why they didn't go with it. The focus of the episode is, after all, the relationship between AJ and Clementine.
Now, the cave scene was okay. I let Lilly live so James wasn't in there, it was just AJ, Clem and Tenn. There's some development for AJ, determinating whether he liked killing or not depending on previous choice. That's okay. However, I would've liked something bigger for AJ to do. I was expecting the ending to be different depending on what AJ learned and if he's Carver 2.0 or not. But AJ always ends up the same way, after the cave scene. You would think he'd act different in the bridge scene too, deciding whether he kills Tenn or lets Louis/Violet die, but that just depends on if you said you trust him when you're in the cave. Every conflict AJ has regarding killing and if he likes it or not, is thrown away at the cave. What makes me even more sad about this, is that the game TRACKS if AJ likes killing or not. The game still tracks the choice, they just didn't do anything with it story wise. You can see in the final screen, "what did AJ learn", it'll say something different if he feels okay about killing, so the game is definitely considering the choice for the ending. It doesn't make sense they didn't do anything with that choice.
Bridge scene with Minnie as a Mr. X mod was GREAT and fuckin TENSE. My favorite action scene from the episode without a doubt. She just kept fucking going, even with all the bites and all the pain. And the fact that the walkers couldn't see her anymore was awesome. She was using it on her favor and that was just mind blowing. It felt like a final boss in a way... as far as bosses can work in a Telltale game I guess?? But yeah that was pretty good. And it looked gruesome too, and beautiful in it's own way. The whole episode looked gorgeous so I don't have any complaints about that. The lighting, the models, and particularly the way blood and fresh meat looked was incredible. Also I figured Clem would lose her leg when Minnie axe'd it. Sort of reminded me of when Rick stopped using one of his hands in the comic as a way to foreshadow it being cut off.
Now after the bridge, Clem gets bit. I was SO, SO disappointed that this was the case. I wasn't even sad (at least until the barn scene), I couldn't feel sad about it. I was just disappointed. Why repeat the same ending? Why would you even do that? It just makes the player believe it is a never ending cycle of taking care of a child and then dying. It was at this point that I felt the episode started being kinda messy with the writing and some artistic choices.
Now on to the barn scene. I was screaming internally "just cut off her leg, it makes no sense if it ends like this". Now, I think I understand why the scene was thought like that, aside from being a cop out of Clem dying. It parallels S1, yes, and quite a bit. But it's also a different kind of "death" scene. Clem was sad as fuck just like AJ. But she still tries to make him laugh. She still tries to be funny and heartwarming. Lee's death wrecked the player, as you saw his pale body trying to breathe once more and show Clementine that he's still there. Clementine, instead, is shown to be happy, she thinks she taught AJ well, and just wants a calm conversation with him before she's gone for good. She wants to feel like family for one last time. She doesn't want the tears or the sad stuff, because she was in that same situation before so in a way I think Clem wanted to give AJ a different perspective on how death could be. And I really think that's an awesome concept (and execution, to some extent). Then when the player switches between AJ and Clem, shit, that was WELL DONE. Like REALLY WELL DONE, and a great artistic choice. We weren't just passing the torch to AJ, telling him what to do, like we did in season one. We were literally playing as him, switching with both Clem and AJ. That was masterfully done. Eventually, you realize AJ has killed all the walkers and done almost everything by himself, and then you just know he's ready to survive on his own. He didn't need Clementine anymore. That was a great way of expressing it to the player.
Now, I have some issues with this scene. Not everything is as great.
This scene was rushed. Like really really rushed. I can tell. Clem's bite happened so quickly and it didn't give you time to give it some thought. One second she's bit, the next second she's dying in the barn. The scene should've been slower paced. It all happened so quickly! Notice how when you get inside the barn she looks okay aside from the leg, and then suddenly her skin is all pale. And once she's pale, you know she's gone for good (or she should be). You can justify it, saying that it wasn't the bite that gave her the fever, but the cut Minnie made with the axe and the loss of blood, so the infection hadn't affected her yet. Look, I'm okay using that explanation, but I don't like it. I don't like how Clem's skin gets all pale and zombie-y, looking like she's about to turn, and then the next scene she's alive and well after AJ cut off her leg. They should've made her skin tone more subtle, in a way that the player couldn't really tell if she was getting the fever or if it was just dirt on her face. Using the normal texture for the eyes would've helped a lot. This is my issue with Clem being alive. The infection was shown on her skin and in her whole body movement. Why is she suddenly okay? If they changed it a bit and made it more ambiguous whether she was feeling sick or not, I wouldn't complain. Hell, I wouldn't have as many issues with it aside from it being rushed.
I wish they would've taken their time to really make this scene better. It could've been way better than it is. Don't get me wrong, I do like it, and I do like the episode (I've said mostly good things about it), but the fact that it was rushed makes me feel like it could've been so, much, better. This goes for the whole episode, too. It could've had some branching, some more slower paced scenes and conversations. It doesn't make me feel like it's the end of S4. Violet and Louis do nothing this episode. You just have one conversation with them and they can either die after that or be fine and never talk again. I'm starting to think they really cut of Louis tongue to avoid making dialogue for him (even if I didn't want to accept it at first). I thought they'd show how it changed him, some development, anything. But they didn't, he just got used to it quickly.
I understand that they wanted a hopeful ending, so making Louis develop regarding the tongue would've gone against the tone of the epilogue. But still, then why'd you cut the tongue? It's literally to avoid making dialogue for the character you didn't choose. Not sure if Violet speaks if she's the determinant one in your run, but I don't think they gave her more than a short scene (correct me if I'm wrong though).
The epilogue had me in tears again, seeing Clementine alive and just the whole school in peace, as a family. When they said another group wanted to trade I thought CHRISTA but that didn't happen (that's okay lol). The epilogue was well done and it didn't have the rush of the barn scene.
I think they did plan for the episode to have more branching and maybe even multiple endings, but budget issues and Telltale LITERALLY DYING didn't make it possible. They did their best with the budget and the people they had, and I'm grateful for it, I really am, and with the whole SNB team and Skybound. I just wish it would've been better, and that it didn't leave me with this weird feeling of something being off during the whole episode. As a whole, it felt rushed. Emotional and well done in some areas, but ultimately rushed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 18:45:36 GMT
So... If you stay long enough near the stream in the cave without doing anything, a walker stuck inside the life preserver will go down the waterfall and float around for a while, with a notification showing up: "Huh". lol what
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Post by Niccc on Mar 26, 2019 18:58:05 GMT
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Post by Crooked Christa on Mar 26, 2019 19:53:13 GMT
The Butterfly Effect is QUITE PRESENT!
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