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Post by Niccc on Mar 12, 2017 19:26:49 GMT
Well by that logic Pete could fall under that category too. Pete's death didn't feel as calculated though. With Mari's death, I was able to feel the market research people at Telltale go: "Guys, we don't have a shock death, we need one in order to please our audiences!" By now, people have pretty much dissected the way Telltale games work; apart from their early games, they follow very straight and simple patterns of storytelling - and Mari's death is something that was calculated and included very coldheartedly. They wasted some storytelling potential; because everybody hates the angsty teenager that looks like a poor carbon copy of every annoying video game kid ever; and Mari was legitimately interesting. Bad decision. Opposed to that, Sara's death felt like they wanted to get rid of a character they didn't know what to do with, and Pete's death was necessary to set up future conflicts between Nick and the rest of the group. Whereas Mari's death didn't do shit in the second episode. Nobody cares. sonic is kill. he cant hear u
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 19:28:52 GMT
Pete's death didn't feel as calculated though. With Mari's death, I was able to feel the market research people at Telltale go: "Guys, we don't have a shock death, we need one in order to please our audiences!" By now, people have pretty much dissected the way Telltale games work; apart from their early games, they follow very straight and simple patterns of storytelling - and Mari's death is something that was calculated and included very coldheartedly. They wasted some storytelling potential; because everybody hates the angsty teenager that looks like a poor carbon copy of every annoying video game kid ever; and Mari was legitimately interesting. Bad decision. Opposed to that, Sara's death felt like they wanted to get rid of a character they didn't know what to do with, and Pete's death was necessary to set up future conflicts between Nick and the rest of the group. Whereas Mari's death didn't do shit in the second episode. Nobody cares. sonic is kill. he cant hear u I know, I still wanted to say my part.
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Post by Rock114 on Mar 12, 2017 19:50:42 GMT
sonic is kill. he cant hear u I know, I still wanted to say my part. Fighting the good fight for Pete, I see. Respect.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 23:00:42 GMT
Well by that logic Pete could fall under that category too. only noobs like Harp and whoever else went with Nick instead of Pete. Fucking excuse me?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 23:01:39 GMT
It's like the culmination of "look how DARK and EDGY" we are!!!!!!! What about Telltale showing Sarah being eaten alive by a horde of walkers in season 2? Was that not edgy enough for you? Lol that was awful too.
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Post by Rock114 on Mar 12, 2017 23:04:47 GMT
only noobs like Harp and whoever else went with Nick instead of Pete. Fucking excuse me?Nick's cool but he can't compete with Peter Joseph Randall, blessed be His name.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 23:06:00 GMT
Peter Joseph Randall's cool but he can't compete with Nick, blessed be His name. I suppose I have no choice but to stream it now. What's a good time?
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Post by Rock114 on Mar 12, 2017 23:14:21 GMT
Peter Joseph Randall's cool but he can't compete with Nick, blessed be His name. I suppose I have no choice but to stream it now. What's a good time?Don't fuckin' disparage Pete. Remember what I did to Sonic when he tried? YOU PLAYIN' WITH FIRE, BOI.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 23:19:17 GMT
I suppose I have no choice but to stream it now. What's a good time? Don't fuckin' disparage Pete. Remember what I did to Sonic when he tried? YOU PLAYIN' WITH FIRE, BOI. I'm sorry, I don't let people shit on Nick's good name. Nick, prior to the writers sucking big fat ones, was literally the best character in Season 2. Pete was just your standard nice guy. Sure, he was a well done nice guy, with flaws, and good moments, but at the end of the day, Pete was nothing new. Nick, on the other hand, was a great character, who had his own meaningful, well done arc from ep1 to ep2. An arc of mistakes, of pain, of love, and love lost. And he came out a good person on the other side.
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Post by wakemeup on Mar 12, 2017 23:30:19 GMT
Real men save Nick
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Post by Rock114 on Mar 12, 2017 23:36:22 GMT
Don't fuckin' disparage Pete. Remember what I did to Sonic when he tried? YOU PLAYIN' WITH FIRE, BOI. I'm sorry, I don't let people shit on Nick's good name. Nick, prior to the writers sucking big fat ones, was literally the best character in Season 2. Pete was just your standard nice guy. Sure, he was a well done nice guy, with flaws, and good moments, but at the end of the day, Pete was nothing new. Nick, on the other hand, was a great character, who had his own meaningful, well done arc from ep1 to ep2. An arc of mistakes, of pain, of love, and love lost. And he came out a good person on the other side. You know I'd never shit on Nick, amigo, he and Pete were the best parts of Season 2. And I might even agree that Nick surpassed Pete if Nick's story had gone all the way, but it didn't, and unfortunately him dying in Episode 2 (He's essentially dead no matter what at that point since he ceases to have any presence in the story whatsoever) ruined any decent conclusion there might have been. Nick's treatment is the equivalent of Pete getting shot in the face on the way to the river, or Kenny getting killed at the beginning of Around Every Corner, or Ben falling off the train in Episode 3. That fantastic story was there but, unlike the characters I mentioned, we never got to see it through. Pete had an arc too if his story is followed into Episode 2. Of kindness, of regrets, of fear, and in the end, managing to conquer that fear to give someone else a chance to live even though he was already lost. Nick may very well have been superior to Pete, perhaps, but unlike Pete he never actually got an ending which is what screwed him out of that.
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Post by Rock114 on Mar 12, 2017 23:36:58 GMT
You're dead to me. Harp isn't because he's cool and I respect his perfectly valid opinions. But yer ded kid. Yer DED.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 23:54:03 GMT
I'm sorry, I don't let people shit on Nick's good name. Nick, prior to the writers sucking big fat ones, was literally the best character in Season 2. Pete was just your standard nice guy. Sure, he was a well done nice guy, with flaws, and good moments, but at the end of the day, Pete was nothing new. Nick, on the other hand, was a great character, who had his own meaningful, well done arc from ep1 to ep2. An arc of mistakes, of pain, of love, and love lost. And he came out a good person on the other side. You know I'd never shit on Nick, amigo, he and Pete were the best parts of Season 2. And I might even agree that Nick surpassed Pete if Nick's story had gone all the way, but it didn't, and unfortunately him dying in Episode 2 (He's essentially dead no matter what at that point since he ceases to have any presence in the story whatsoever) ruined any decent conclusion there might have been. Nick's treatment is the equivalent of Pete getting shot in the face on the way to the river, or Kenny getting killed at the beginning of Around Every Corner, or Ben falling off the train in Episode 3. That fantastic story was there but, unlike the characters I mentioned, we never got to see it through. Pete had an arc too if his story is followed into Episode 2. Of kindness, of regrets, of fear, and in the end, managing to conquer that fear to give someone else a chance to live even though he was already lost. Nick may very well have been superior to Pete, perhaps, but unlike Pete he never actually got an ending which is what screwed him out of that. To be fair, Nick did finish his arc. He went from a guy who pushes others away to distance himself, to finding the strength to believe in others, despite the pain that death brings. He went from being an asshole because he couldn't dare face the demons within him, to apologizing for his worst sins. He just got no new material to work with in the later episodes. And I don't think him being wasted in later parts diminishes what presence he did have at all. To say that would be to say that Negan is a lesser character too, for all the slobber Kirkman seems to pour on him as of late. But no, Negan had his great story, and remains as the series' best character, even if he was wasted in later issues. Pete was great, but his arc was also super predictable, and always showed its hand way too early. Nick's arc was properly paced, and the way the game told you about Nick over his two episodes was an unmatched success in TWD's storytelling, bested only by Ben Paul himself.
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Post by Rock114 on Mar 13, 2017 0:32:56 GMT
You know I'd never shit on Nick, amigo, he and Pete were the best parts of Season 2. And I might even agree that Nick surpassed Pete if Nick's story had gone all the way, but it didn't, and unfortunately him dying in Episode 2 (He's essentially dead no matter what at that point since he ceases to have any presence in the story whatsoever) ruined any decent conclusion there might have been. Nick's treatment is the equivalent of Pete getting shot in the face on the way to the river, or Kenny getting killed at the beginning of Around Every Corner, or Ben falling off the train in Episode 3. That fantastic story was there but, unlike the characters I mentioned, we never got to see it through. Pete had an arc too if his story is followed into Episode 2. Of kindness, of regrets, of fear, and in the end, managing to conquer that fear to give someone else a chance to live even though he was already lost. Nick may very well have been superior to Pete, perhaps, but unlike Pete he never actually got an ending which is what screwed him out of that. To be fair, Nick did finish his arc. He went from a guy who pushes others away to distance himself, to finding the strength to believe in others, despite the pain that death brings. He went from being an asshole because he couldn't dare face the demons within him, to apologizing for his worst sins. He just got no new material to work with in the later episodes. And I don't think him being wasted in later parts diminishes what presence he did have at all. To say that would be to say that Negan is a lesser character too, for all the slobber Kirkman seems to pour on him as of late. But no, Negan had his great story, and remains as the series' best character, even if he was wasted in later issues. Pete was great, but his arc was also super predictable, and always showed its hand way too early. Nick's arc was properly paced, and the way the game told you about Nick over his two episodes was an unmatched success in TWD's storytelling, bested only by Ben Paul himself. But Nick didn't finish his arc though. His internal struggle wasn't about him pushing others away, it was about his feelings of depression and his thoughts of suicide because he believed himself a detriment to the group, which is what the entire scene in the shed is about. And he never got to conquer, or even attempt to conquer, those things because of how the writers fucked him. He was in place to begin that if Walter saved him but then they forgot he existed and he was robbed of any conclusion. Like I said, it's the equivalent of Kenny dying before his realization in No Time Left that allows him to finally be selfless and a decent person after everything he did, or Ben dying before he confesses to Kenny and begins making amends for what he did. Nick had great development but no finale. He got canceled halfway through his run just when he was getting real good. He wasn't able to finish anything. All he got was a big "Fuck you" from the writers, and that's a damn shame, but it's not a conclusion in the slightest. Nor is his confession to Walter, because we already see before that point that when it comes down to it he's willing and able to do the right thing despite being a screw up. Pete's may have been more basic but it was a complete and human story. Nick had the potential to go past that but halfway through his story Telltale ripped the book out of our hands and impaled it on a fence.
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Post by jake frost on Mar 13, 2017 1:02:40 GMT
Nick suffers from being made determinant. Having the walker kill him almost gives him more closure even though it's shitty to sell him out.
Mari suffers from having a death that's unavoidable. Telltale just can't get it right. They kill the wrong characters (Nick, Pete, Sarah, Mari) and let the shitty ones no one really likes live (Jane, Bonnie, Mike, etc).
Part of the reason I like Thrones is, ironically, that it felt at least the major characters got the mileage they deserved because there was no prerequisite that 'Someone has to die every episode'. Same with Borderlands. Walking Dead's writing process has been fucked up the ass by predictability. I constantly use the term 'paint-by-numbers' because nothing describes it better. It really says something when I'm fucking surprised that James & Alex didn't die in the Michonne game finale because they're ideal fuel for Telltale to throw on their fire of feels.
It's like these things are written by the interns. I feel like a lot of us could write a better story if we were holding the pen we were writing it with in our mouths and the words came out illegible.
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